That price is insane these rifles dont even have a chrome bore and chamber the kel-tec SU-16 even has a chrome lining. The rifle is getting less than spectacular reviews down south and had a huge recall , Bushmaster=fail what was magpul thinking..
Bushmaster ACR Canadian Pricing ***UPDATE Pg. 15***
- Thread starter 50calshooter
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I see only two pages of posts, anyone care to give the "more appropriate" post number for the update. 
Do we get into the Chrome lined vs. non chrome lined debate now?
I would differ on the reviews...
The recall..was it that huge? How many units? All it did was potentially go full-auto. Not like they blew up and killed people.
I bet lots of people kept theirs in the hope they do turn into full auto Rifles
I don't like the price, but for different reasons
Do we get into the Chrome lined vs. non chrome lined debate now?
I would differ on the reviews...
The recall..was it that huge? How many units? All it did was potentially go full-auto. Not like they blew up and killed people.
I bet lots of people kept theirs in the hope they do turn into full auto Rifles
I don't like the price, but for different reasons
they recalled every rifle sold to date
Guess I could up the price of the SR-15's !!!
Thats not funny i have one on my wishlist
Gunnerlove
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- Vancouver Island
I consider the occasional unexpected mag dump or burst to be a safety concern.
yea thats great but does the ACR even have nitro carburizing? or do you have to spend hundreds of dollars to get it done in the aftermarket? This rifle being priced the same as a swissarms is a joke.. this should be a $1500 gun like its designers intended , im not talking out of my ass here i have shot and handled one down in Navada. Handling it the quality felt kinda airsofty and cheap to me, it shot fine but we were just dirt shooting i never got to distance shoot with it on targets.
ACR barrel is nitro carburized - People who whine about ACR barrels obviously do not pay attention to what Swiss Arms do with their 3300 dollars rifles.
Granted, i have more confidence in the quality of the steel used by Swiss arms.
Well then there is no issue with the ACR barrel nitrocarb is top of the line.. i wasnt hating the rifle just the price. just sayin over 3 k is crazy .. it comes with plastic magpul BUS lol for the same price you can get the swissarms that would own a ACR out of the box. its like a Toyota being the same price as a Mercedes. I think they they should price them to compete with the XCR around 2k that would be fair for what the ACR is.
Milofficer
CGN Regular
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- Vancouver, BC
I remember a year or two back when we hit parity with the US dollar - there were a number of news stories about how CDN prices for things were still above US pricing even though the dollar was even or better. Months later, book prices were still unchanged. Cars were still more expensive, etc.
What I remember most was an interview of a car importer being asked why prices hadn't changed much. his answer was pretty telling: "Canadians generally don't seem to mind paying more for things."
At 2,300$ ish, i was interested in an ACR. now it's over 3,000$ and I won't entertain the thought. I think the best thing we could do to bring the price down is simply not to buy it until whoever is responsible for pricing wakes up and gives us a fair deal. I'm voting with my wallet.
What I remember most was an interview of a car importer being asked why prices hadn't changed much. his answer was pretty telling: "Canadians generally don't seem to mind paying more for things."
At 2,300$ ish, i was interested in an ACR. now it's over 3,000$ and I won't entertain the thought. I think the best thing we could do to bring the price down is simply not to buy it until whoever is responsible for pricing wakes up and gives us a fair deal. I'm voting with my wallet.
If Magpul had had nothing to do with the development of this rifle it would be $1000 less.
Regardless it is funny watching people complain about the cost of "luxury goods"
No one needs this rifle, but it would be nice to have.. and those that can afford it will.
They will buy , shoot it and enjoy it.... because they can
Regardless it is funny watching people complain about the cost of "luxury goods"
No one needs this rifle, but it would be nice to have.. and those that can afford it will.
They will buy , shoot it and enjoy it.... because they can
LOL - they "had to clear stock bought at lower dollar." It's been years now.
I'd be willing to pay a small premium over current US retail. Canadian importers aren't paying US retail for their rifles. I'm not interested in getting gouged to the tune of an extra $1200+ dollars for the basic rifle. Our dollar is essentially at par right now and is expected to stay that way for the forseeable future.
It is time more Canadian dealers started passing that sort of savings on to their consumers. Take a hard look at making your profit on volume sales, rather than price gouging and only moving a limited number of units. Guys buying these types of rifles will also pick up several hundred dollars in extra accessories and kit, simply to take advantage of combined shipping. I do it all the time, with dealers I know aren't out to gouge.
Bring in the enhanced ACR and price it for $2300-$2400 and they'll sell like hotcakes. At $3300-$3400, I'd buy another Swiss Arms and have a rifle that you can sell 5 years later for what you paid for it. I don't see the ACR doing the same.
It is time more Canadian dealers started passing that sort of savings on to their consumers. Take a hard look at making your profit on volume sales, rather than price gouging and only moving a limited number of units. Guys buying these types of rifles will also pick up several hundred dollars in extra accessories and kit, simply to take advantage of combined shipping. I do it all the time, with dealers I know aren't out to gouge.
Bring in the enhanced ACR and price it for $2300-$2400 and they'll sell like hotcakes. At $3300-$3400, I'd buy another Swiss Arms and have a rifle that you can sell 5 years later for what you paid for it. I don't see the ACR doing the same.
the Dakota kid
CGN Regular
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- London, ON
P&D has a few Swiss Arms on sale for 2999, just saw this yesterday. I'd love to get one but I'm out of luck until I finish school
Its a sad state of affairs when a company with so much history is run by a bunch of investment bankers.
Im not talking bushmaster im talking remington owned and run by Cerberus Capital Management.
In the end they care about money, money and more money!!!
Which is fine every company has to make money but history, quality and care for customers is long gone when it comes to Cerberus.
Because of this i will never buy another new Remington, Marlin, H&R, Dakota, Bushmaster or DPMS.
Im not talking bushmaster im talking remington owned and run by Cerberus Capital Management.
In the end they care about money, money and more money!!!
Which is fine every company has to make money but history, quality and care for customers is long gone when it comes to Cerberus.
Because of this i will never buy another new Remington, Marlin, H&R, Dakota, Bushmaster or DPMS.
Yup... 16" LMT-L7UB1 is $485.00 in the US and when we had them we last sold them for $599.00 Canadian... $115 above the US pricing.
We don't have any at this time because the last export permit that US State Department approved would not allow 5.56NATO barrels or flash suppressors to be exported for commercial end-users. As a result we had to get LMT to build us a special run of barrels (exclusively for Export). But even without that, the cost of export permits (which we pay), brokerage fees, international transportation, staff overheads, etc. all get added to the final price of the goods.
Bottom line is that most US firearms and accessories are going to end up averaging anywhere from 25% to 40% more expensive when sold here in Canada... that's just a fact of life.
People are making a lot about the higher price of the ACR but what everyone seems to be overlooking is that Bushmaster could not get an export permit for their two commercial US models of the ACR. About 2 or 3 months ago I was speaking directly with the person at Bushmaster USA who processes their US State Department Export Permits and comparing notes about what they were able to get "approved" and what we had received approval for. She told me that their export permit expressly forbids them from exporting (for civilian end-users) 5.56 barrels, threaded barrels, flash hiders, adjustable or collapsible or folding stocks. As a result Bushmaster was building an "export" version for the Canadian market... one that would comply with the US State Department permit restrictions. Building a low volume custom run like that adds costs and results in higher selling prices... it's as simple as that.
Increases in Government rules, regulations, permits, paperwork, etc. over the past 5 to 10 years have been one of the biggest cost increase factors affecting the end-user pricing of firearms and related accessories. There is so much government red tape, on both sides of the border, that this seriously affects the cost structure of every firearms business and dramatically increases the final pricing of those products.
I don't know too many Canadian gun stores or dealers who are getting rich at this business... many struggle just to stay afloat... most work very hard to earn a decent living... can't think of too many who are getting filthy rich doing this. So when people accuse dealers of "gouging" it is in my opinion generally unfounded and not supported by the facts.
I'm sure that many will ignore what I've said... what's the old joke about "don't confuse them by introducing facts to the arguement"... but hopefully some readers will see that there's more to this issue that just US price and Canadian price and "x" difference between the two.
Respectfully,
Mark
