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I'm suppressed for the lack of support and I'm not trying to offend anyone I my self have had norcs and one thing I've noticed is that they come and they go you can't rely on them being around no warranty no support only by the dealer warranty if they will give it.
Just think we should support our Canadian manufacturing of AR stuff.
Again this is just my opinion.

PS I don't hate anyone I just want to support Canada!
 
Marlink, I agree with you.
We get so excited about Norincos and other product having good gun maker in Canada. Funny thin, my buddies from Europe almost got 4 Dlasks, but they run into problems with importer and had to cancel the order.
 
It would be a sad day when the only reason people would but Canadian Ar's is because we cannot import them anymore. As much as I am all for supporting the Canadian economy (ESPECIALLY the firearms industry) we have to admit that at the end of the day the price tag is what stops the industry to boom.
 
That's not how I buy stuff. I'm willing to pay more for quality (to a point) and I'm willing to look for a good deal. If it's Canadian then that's great but often it's not.

When the dollar was at par, vehicles in the states were significantly cheaper. A buddy of mine imported a 2006 Corvette and after all was said and done, he saved about 20K compared to buying the same vehicle in Canada. The Canadian dealers were upset about this type of stuff at the time. The reality is any consumer with a brain is going to save 20K.

The bottom line is Canadian products either have to be the very best to justify the higher cost, or be very cost effective to justify a purchase. Often the products are OK but still come close to the price of high end products from other countries. The smart consumer buys the other countries product.

In summary Canadian companies shouldn't count on flag waving to sell their products. Make good stuff and it will sell. Make decent stuff at a lower price point and it will sell. Make mediocre stuff at a higher than it should be price point and expect consumers to look elsewhere.

This is what Capitalism is all about.
Strangely enough China seems to have Capitalism down to a fine art.
 
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I will not buy a Canadian AR until there is something on par with the major manufacturers. WHY buy Dlask (numerous poor QC incidents) when I can buy LMT?! Show me a Canadian AR manufacturer who's product is up to snuff and I'll consider it.


***What Epoxy7 said....price is also a huge concern***
 
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The North American consumer has been voting with their wallet for decades now, and this trend is unlikely to change without some sort of impetus. The entire Western economic system is based on consumerism. Not manufacturing, not saving, not anything but spending. And because people seem to have been trained to believe cheaper is better, it is very difficult to convince them to purchase a similar item at a higher price.

Also, for many people there is simply a limit on what they'll spend on an item. The Norc M4 is a perfect example of this. For me an AR makes no sense at all. Shooting at a range (even if there was a decent one here) is not for me, so if I can't take a rifle varminting it's little more than a paperweight. However, as I would still like to own an AR-15/M4 anyways, I had decided that should one become available for less than a grand new then I would buy it.

The fact that it originates in China makes no difference to me one way or the other, as there are still Canadians being employed in the process of getting it to me. An interesting question that now comes to mind is this...How many Canadians were involved and paid to get my Norc CQ556 to my door? And how would those values compare to how many Canadians would be involved and paid to have a Canuck manufactured M4 delivered to my door?
 
angryeyebrows said:
I will not buy a Canadian AR until there is something on par with the major manufacturers. WHY buy Dlask (numerous poor QC incidents) when I can buy LMT?! Show me a Canadian AR manufacturer who's product is up to snuff and I'll consider it.


***What Epoxy7 said....price is also a huge concern***
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I'm hoping ATR is going to be it.
 
well, i am a chinadian, i love my norinco 1911 2tone, its very good for me,
and the fact that firearms are banned in china makes me want some china stuff.
when i have more spare money, i will go for a dlask AR... cuz canada just rocks
i got to make some money in china, before i can go back and buy some nice stuff... cheers...
 
How can our manufacturers get the prices down if no one buys from them?
Our Canadian manufacturers still have to pay employees a good wage and benefits and have to meet Canadian labor and environmental laws.
When you don't pay the same for the labor and use lower quality materials and don't care about the environment you will always be cheaper.
And yes I agree on the auto industry we pay way too much even when the dollar was at par but a least Toyota,Nissan and Honda have plants in Canada and the US. But this is a different Issue.


Yes but a LMT is not a $900. norc and at least its made in North America with warranty and manufacture support.
angryeyebrows said:
I will not buy a Canadian AR until there is something on par with the major manufacturers. WHY buy Dlask (numerous poor QC incidents) when I can buy LMT?! Show me a Canadian AR manufacturer who's product is up to snuff and I'll consider it.


***What Epoxy7 said....price is also a huge concern***
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When a Canadian company offers AR-15 Upper (we got lowers covered thanks to Rick :) ) that has the following features.

  • 1 / 7 - Twist Rate
  • 4150 Barrel Steel
  • HPT / MPI Testing
  • 5.56 Chamber
  • M4 Feedramps

Then I'll buy one - don't try to tell me that not all those are needed in an AR. I want those in my uppers.
 
Does the norc offer these options? and a 223 Wylde chamber is the best of both worlds it was designed to work with .556 and .223.

Paulinski said:
When a Canadian company offers AR-15 Upper (we got lowers covered thanks to Rick :) ) that has the following features.

  • 1 / 7 - Twist Rate
  • 4150 Barrel Steel
  • HPT / MPI Testing
  • 5.56 Chamber
  • M4 Feedramps

Then I'll buy one - don't try to tell me that not all those are needed in an AR. I want those in my uppers.
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marlink said:
Yes but a LMT is not a $900. norc and at least its made in North America with warranty and manufacture support.
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This point has also got me to thinking. How much value is there in warranty and support? Using the Norc M4 as an example again, for me a long warranty is almost worthless. I'd be surprised if I send more than a few hundred rounds downrange from it this year, and if there is a major flaw it will most likely show up in that time.

However, for someone shooting in competition or goes to the range frequently then this could be a major concern, and they'll want confidence that they'll have no issues (or assistance if they do) after thousands or tens of thousands of rounds.

So should I be compelled to pay extra for this peace of mind? Or to subsidize others who do? In this case no, same as I wouldn't want to pay for a lifetime warranty on a Bic pen as the initial investment is (relatively) low. Once I've invested a larger amount of money though (ie. a vehicle or other equipment) then having warranty and support do have more perceived value for me.
 
I understand what you are saying on whether or not warranty is important.
I have to say that some of this extra coast goes to support the dealer networks. I work in the service industry and we have to provide up to date technical information, training, and tooling to support our customers.
And we are told that we are too expensive to uses so the customer finds someone to do it cheaper and they still call us wanting free information and use of service manual we can't provide this for long and well go under .
It does cost more to support your customers and the price does reflects it.

I'm all for getting a good deal don't get me wrong but if we don't buy from our manufacturers they will never be to get to a point where the can bring the prices down but they are still in the country and can lend support.


Farmer Harv said:
This point has also got me to thinking. How much value is there in warranty and support? Using the Norc M4 as an example again, for me a long warranty is almost worthless. I'd be surprised if I send more than a few hundred rounds downrange from it this year, and if there is a major flaw it will most likely show up in that time.

However, for someone shooting in competition or goes to the range frequently then this could be a major concern, and they'll want confidence that they'll have no issues (or assistance if they do) after thousands or tens of thousands of rounds.

So should I be compelled to pay extra for this peace of mind? Or to subsidize others who do? In this case no, same as I wouldn't want to pay for a lifetime warranty on a Bic pen as the initial investment is (relatively) low. Once I've invested a larger amount of money though (ie. a vehicle or other equipment) then having warranty and support do have more perceived value for me.
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As has been mentioned there is only one game in town to get a full AR in Canada and there have been numerous issues with the QC of them. I won't buy a crap AR just to support a Canadian company. It has to be a quality product.


but if we don't buy from our manufacturers they will never be to get to a point where the can bring the prices down
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marlink said:
Yes but a LMT is not a $900. norc and at least its made in North America with warranty and manufacture support.
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marlink said:
Does the norc offer these options? and a 223 Wylde chamber is the best of both worlds it was designed to work with .556 and .223.
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I thought we were talking about buying Canadian ARs....who said anything about Norinco. Your kinda all over the map here. The above was your response to I guy who outlined what he wanted to see in a Canadian AR and you start talking about Norinco. I understand you used Norinco as an example in your first post but you keep coming back to it. What exactly is your point?

People shouldn't buy Norinco over Canadian ARs?? OR people shouldn't buy any other AR manufacturer over Canadian ARs???

I guess I've lost the direction of this thread.

For me and many others, the fact of the matter is that there is just isn't any quality Canadian made ARs. I understand ATR is supposed to be pretty good but I think they only have lowers right now.
 
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