Buying A Firearm , What Should Be Included

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gasguzzler said:
I just bought a 10/22 on here. No mention of missing or mag not included.
Was told it wasn't listed so wasn't included after it arrived. Guys will screw you over anyway they can I guess
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This is shady. If you don't mind please PM me the seller so I can know not to deal with them.

The gun requires a magazine to function and it came from the factory with one. Unless mentioned that the gun did not have a mag he is a con artist.
 
cam1936 said:
I will go with this. What kind of seller does not list what is included if the picture is ambiguous?

I expect what came with the rifle from factory, unless otherwise mentioned. So if it came with rings (Ruger) it should be sold with rings. That being said, when I sell a Ruger I specify rings are included. If the picture has scope, bipod ect. I would NOT expect it to be included if not mentioned.

Did you have a deal go bad?
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No I didn't have a deal go bad, I am asking these questions in response to a situation that came up on another forum. Although I am watching the answers to see who I won't be dealing with in the future.:)
 
Anybody who would picture a "complete" firearm and then deliver one without the magazine is a sleazy scam artist. That's what bad trader ratings are for. Same goes for original iron sights. If missing original parts are disclosed to the purchaser, that's fair.
 
stubblejumper said:
So if you purchase a firearm from an individual from an ad, and there is no stipulation in the ad about certain parts pictured not being included in the deal, what do you expect to receive?

Do you expect a magazine to be included?

Do you expect the sights to be included?

Do you expect the scope bases or rings to be included?
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If the ad shows a picture and a price and no stipulation that something is not included, I would expect what ever is pictured is what I would receive. Anything less would qualify for a refund and the shipping costs both ways as far as I am concerned or compensation for what is missing.
 
The rifle in question is a 10/22 that was built from all aftermarket parts. The original ad had a comprehensive list of aftermarket parts included with the rifle including, what type of receiver, barrel, stock, trigger, bolt, cocking handle, and spare springs. No where in the ad was a mag mentioned

The receiver, which when originally purchased did not come with a mag. Therefore this rifle did not come from the factory with a mag (the factory being my garage).

The picture(s) sent did not have a mag in them.

The original post was highly detailed in what was included from muzzle to stock. I took the time to answer multiple questions about the various parts of this rifle. I have no time for someone who does not pay attention to detail, then tries to extort money from me by threatening a bad review.

This is the last comments I will make regarding this transaction.
 
And there's the other side of the story... there generally are at least two.

Charlie... I have sold dozens of builds most for $1000-$2000 dollars... all "from scratch" builds... and I always included at least one magazine, so that the new owner could be up a running out of the box... IMO one of the many "details" should have been a clear stipulation "No Mag Included."
 
CharlieNiner said:
The rifle in question is a 10/22 that was built from all aftermarket parts. The original ad had a comprehensive list of aftermarket parts included with the rifle including, what type of receiver, barrel, stock, trigger, bolt, cocking handle, and spare springs. No where in the ad was a mag mentioned

The receiver, which when originally purchased did not come with a mag. Therefore this rifle did not come from the factory with a mag (the factory being my garage).

The picture(s) sent did not have a mag in them.

The original post was highly detailed in what was included from muzzle to stock. I took the time to answer multiple questions about the various parts of this rifle. I have no time for someone who does not pay attention to detail, then tries to extort money from me by threatening a bad review.

This is the last comments I will make regarding this transaction.
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In this situation it's not unreasonable to expect a magazine to be included. You weren't selling a receiver but an entire rifle. It's a bit cheapass hold the magazine back and then to get all pouty when the buyer calls you out. You probably deserved a neutral for the deal.

I'll keep this post in mind when looking at your next EE ad.
 
CharlieNiner said:
The rifle in question is a 10/22 that was built from all aftermarket parts. The original ad had a comprehensive list of aftermarket parts included with the rifle including, what type of receiver, barrel, stock, trigger, bolt, cocking handle, and spare springs. No where in the ad was a mag mentioned

The receiver, which when originally purchased did not come with a mag. Therefore this rifle did not come from the factory with a mag (the factory being my garage).

The picture(s) sent did not have a mag in them.

The original post was highly detailed in what was included from muzzle to stock. I took the time to answer multiple questions about the various parts of this rifle. I have no time for someone who does not pay attention to detail, then tries to extort money from me by threatening a bad review.

This is the last comments I will make regarding this transaction.
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I appreciate you posting so that we can all know not to deal with you in the future.
 
I has to be clear...

I will indicate, that it come with everything it came with BNIB, then there is no errors to be made...

Clarity is a must in a transaction... JP.
 
Not including a mag is ridiculous...... You can't accuse someone of not paying attention to detail when you yourself omitted to place a detail in your ad..... 10/22 mags are a dime a dozen..... IMOP, you owe your buyer a mag......
 
IBTL If it is in the picture or is a part necessary for the firearm to function then its absence should be specified in the ad whether or not it came with the original gun.
 
I expect an add to accurately describe the gun, it's condition, it's accessories, and it's price. Based on that information I can make a a pretty quick decision whether or not this is one that gets further consideration.

For me iron sights are neither a deal maker or a deal breaker; in all likelihood, I will opt for aftermarket irons, ditto a sling. A $50 scope in Weaver mounts doesn't increase the gun's value by $200, although loading dies, brass and bullets might be a point of negotiation. If the gun has a DBM, first it has to be a good one, then if there is an spare magazine for the rifle, or several additional magazines, that increases the value of the rifle. If the magazine was lost, that devalues the rifle significantly, since these things are always overpriced by the manufacturers, it can represent a lengthy period of time to get a replacement, and the rifle is probably a clumsy single shot without it.
 
CharlieNiner said:
The rifle in question is a 10/22 that was built from all aftermarket parts. The original ad had a comprehensive list of aftermarket parts included with the rifle including, what type of receiver, barrel, stock, trigger, bolt, cocking handle, and spare springs. No where in the ad was a mag mentioned

The receiver, which when originally purchased did not come with a mag. Therefore this rifle did not come from the factory with a mag (the factory being my garage).

The picture(s) sent did not have a mag in them.

The original post was highly detailed in what was included from muzzle to stock. I took the time to answer multiple questions about the various parts of this rifle. I have no time for someone who does not pay attention to detail, then tries to extort money from me by threatening a bad review.

This is the last comments I will make regarding this transaction.
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Technically you are right but it was a poor choice to ignore saying anything about a magazine.... just two words - no magazine - and this thread wouldn't be here...
 
CharlieNiner said:
The rifle in question is a 10/22 that was built from all aftermarket parts. The original ad had a comprehensive list of aftermarket parts included with the rifle including, what type of receiver, barrel, stock, trigger, bolt, cocking handle, and spare springs. No where in the ad was a mag mentioned

The receiver, which when originally purchased did not come with a mag. Therefore this rifle did not come from the factory with a mag (the factory being my garage).

The picture(s) sent did not have a mag in them.

The original post was highly detailed in what was included from muzzle to stock. I took the time to answer multiple questions about the various parts of this rifle. I have no time for someone who does not pay attention to detail, then tries to extort money from me by threatening a bad review.

This is the last comments I will make regarding this transaction.
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That's horsesh!t, you'd have certainly received negative feedback from me since you were selling a complete rifle and not rifle parts. The buyer shouldn't have to drag information out of the seller to avoid being cheated. A list of aftermarket accessories does not excuse you from supplying a complete rifle if you've advertised a complete rifle, rather than a box full of parts.
 
stubblejumper said:
So if you purchase a firearm from an individual from an ad, and there is no stipulation in the ad about certain parts pictured not being included in the deal, what do you expect to receive?

Do you expect a magazine to be included?

Do you expect the sights to be included?

Do you expect the scope bases or rings to be included?
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I copy their ad into my message to the seller. And I do this for the sole purpose of ensuring we BOTH understand what is being negotiated. I also think it is pretty shady for a guy to post a pic that shows the firearm with certain items, say a magazine in the mag well OR extra magazines alongside AND THEN DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY they are NOT included in the deal.

At a minimum, I expect the factory magazine, factory sights &/or factory bases & rings. BUT I STILL specifically ask if the bases, rings, scope, magazine, extra mags, case etc etc etc are included in the deal to be CRYSTAL clear.

Cheers
Jay
 
Boomer said:
That's horsesh!t, you'd have certainly received negative feedback from me since you were selling a complete rifle and not rifle parts. The buyer shouldn't have to drag information out of the seller to avoid being cheated. A list of aftermarket accessories does not excuse you from supplying a complete rifle if you've advertised a complete rifle, rather than a box full of parts.
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Hate to chime in with the bandwagon but it should have listed no magazine. I would expect a functioning rifle with a magazine. Two words. Less headache and butt hurt.
 
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