So with the registration still in place in Quebec, is anyone from outside Quebec purchasing firearms from Quebec dealers or private individuals? I have passed up a couple of good deals, because I won't be a part of Quebec's nonsense.
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The answer is in your question. You are not in Quebec, therefore cannot be part of the nonsense to begin with. If a gun registered in Quebec leaves for another province, it vanishes. There is no registry for the ROC.
I must ask, what exactly did you think would happen if you bought guns from Quebecers?
If the registry is still in place in Quebec, the gun owner/dealer will have to call the CFC to remove the firearm from the current owner/dealer, so in a way, my purchasing the gun will result in the CFC being involved. Now does the CFC just make the gun go away into thin air because the present owner claims that they sold the gun, or does the CFC need a name or a PAL # to prove that the gun is actually leaving possession of the Quebec owner/dealer? Basically, I don't trust Quebec or the CFC as long as the Quebec injunction is in place.
There are reports of both. Some people in Qc have deregistered guns without giving any info whatsoever about the buyer, others were told they needed to provide PAL # of buyer. Seems to depend on who answers the phone.
That being said, think about this for a sec : C-19 prohibits the CFC from gathering info on non-restricted sales for the Rest Of Canada. More importantly, even if they did keep collecting that info, there would be no legal way for them to use it, as it would be an instant admission that they broke the law. And finally, even if they did record the sale, they have no way of knowing if you sold the gun 2 days later to someone else in Canada, where there is no LGR injunction. So keeping track of the original out-of-quebec sale does not allow them to effectively track the firearm.
If anything, you are legally contributing to deregistering as many guns as possible when buying from Quebecers.
I have actually been purchasing more guns on the EE lately, as private individuals aren't asking for personal; data.
I guess that there is one more factor in buying from dealers in Quebec, in that the people of Quebec voted in the government that is trying to keep the data from being destroyed, so perhaps they should lose some sales as a result.
Why are you asking for feedback if everytime its given to you you come up with a new reason for not buying firearms from Qc? First you don't trust the CFC, then its the CFO, then its downright payback against the people of Quebec...Your mind is obviously made up, no matter what anybody will say...
Do whatever you want then.
In my original post, I asked:
You haven't answered the question that I asked.
Instead, you just used the new law to explain why the CFC should not be asking for private information about non residents of Quebec, yet you admit that it depends on who at the CFC answers the phone. I responded with my reasons for not trusting the CFC or the CFOs, but that still doesn't answer my original question.
Your original question is :
If I tell you some Quebecers have successfully sold guns out of province without the need to give out any info about the buyer to the CFC, while others were asked for a PAL #, what does that tell you??? How does that not answer your question??
If you were one of those people buying or selling fire arms from Quebec, and you gave your first hand experiences, it would help answer my question. Some being asked for a PAL# and some not being asked leaves things pretty vague. If everyone that had purchased firearms from Quebec had reported that no personal information was collected, my attitude might change, but if I am to believe your report, it appears that nobody at the CFC seems to know what protocol to follow when firearms leave Quebec.
I was asked for PAL info when selling out of province.
Fellow Quebecers have personally reported on these boards that they were not required to give any info about the buyer, not even a name. One reported he called one day, was asked for PAL info and didn't provide it. Called the next day, and wasn't asked for anything.
So it is what it is : Some were asked, some weren't. That was at the very beginning of the injunction.
I live in QC and have sold 3 outside of QC since the bill passed. I was not asked to provide any information about the seller or where they were going. I just told the lady I was selling them to someone out of province, she asked which guns I was selling, did some typing, then said they would be deregistred from under my name. That was the end of it.
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The federal government amended the
Criminal Code
and the
Firearms Act
to eliminate the
requirement to register non-restricted firearms as of April 5, 2012.
However, until further notice, due to a Quebec Superior Court order, Quebec residents are still
required to register non-restricted firearms with the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program (CFP).
Quebec businesses must also continue to register non-restricted firearms and record transfers
of these firearms.
The interlocutory injunction means that the transfer of a non-restricted firearm entirely within
Quebec (buyer and seller residents of Quebec) will continue to follow the normal transfer
process of a non-restricted registered firearm.
However, in the case of a bi-provincial transfer of a non-restricted firearm involving a Quebec
resident:
Seller = Non-Quebec resident / Buyer = Quebec resident: The seller is not required to report
this transaction to the CFP. The buyer will be instructed to register the firearm via the
registration process and not the transfer process (similar to the process for an importation of a
new firearm). The registration record for the non-Quebec seller will be expired and eventually
deleted.
Seller = Quebec resident / Buyer = Non-Quebec resident: When the Quebec seller informs the
CFP of the transaction, the CFP will expire the Quebec registration certificate with a comment
Page 2
that the firearm has been sold (transferred) to a person/business not residing in Quebec. No
information will be retained on the buyer.
Note for Quebec businesses only:
In order to facilitate high volume transfer transactions from a Quebec business to a non-Quebec
business (such as the transfer of more than 10 firearms at a time), it is recommended that the
business lists the firearms to be transferred in a spreadsheet format, and email this spreadsheet
directly to: cfrimport_group@rcmp-grc.gc.ca. Please ensure this spreadsheet includes the
Registration Certificate Number and the Firearms Identification Number of the firearms being
transferred.
Individuals and businesses purchasing or otherwise acquiring firearms are still responsible for
having a firearms licence, and businesses are still required to verify a purchaser’s licence.
Businesses can still call the CFP’s toll-free number to confirm the validity of a purchaser’s
licence before making a sale.
Reminders for Businesses:
When you call to check the validity of your Buyer’s Possession and Acquisition Licence,
you will be required to provide the buyer’s licence number, name and date of birth.
Remember to update your employee list.
For more information, please contact the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program.
Criminal Code
and the
Firearms Act
to eliminate the
requirement to register non-restricted firearms as of April 5, 2012.
However, until further notice, due to a Quebec Superior Court order, Quebec residents are still
required to register non-restricted firearms with the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program (CFP).
Quebec businesses must also continue to register non-restricted firearms and record transfers
of these firearms.
The interlocutory injunction means that the transfer of a non-restricted firearm entirely within
Quebec (buyer and seller residents of Quebec) will continue to follow the normal transfer
process of a non-restricted registered firearm.
However, in the case of a bi-provincial transfer of a non-restricted firearm involving a Quebec
resident:
Seller = Non-Quebec resident / Buyer = Quebec resident: The seller is not required to report
this transaction to the CFP. The buyer will be instructed to register the firearm via the
registration process and not the transfer process (similar to the process for an importation of a
new firearm). The registration record for the non-Quebec seller will be expired and eventually
deleted.
Seller = Quebec resident / Buyer = Non-Quebec resident: When the Quebec seller informs the
CFP of the transaction, the CFP will expire the Quebec registration certificate with a comment
Page 2
that the firearm has been sold (transferred) to a person/business not residing in Quebec. No
information will be retained on the buyer.
Note for Quebec businesses only:
In order to facilitate high volume transfer transactions from a Quebec business to a non-Quebec
business (such as the transfer of more than 10 firearms at a time), it is recommended that the
business lists the firearms to be transferred in a spreadsheet format, and email this spreadsheet
directly to: cfrimport_group@rcmp-grc.gc.ca. Please ensure this spreadsheet includes the
Registration Certificate Number and the Firearms Identification Number of the firearms being
transferred.
Individuals and businesses purchasing or otherwise acquiring firearms are still responsible for
having a firearms licence, and businesses are still required to verify a purchaser’s licence.
Businesses can still call the CFP’s toll-free number to confirm the validity of a purchaser’s
licence before making a sale.
Reminders for Businesses:
When you call to check the validity of your Buyer’s Possession and Acquisition Licence,
you will be required to provide the buyer’s licence number, name and date of birth.
Remember to update your employee list.
For more information, please contact the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program.
The problem is not in which Gvt the people voted, as most political parties in Qc are for a registry. The anti lobbyists did a very good job.
Now, even if they had your name, since the firearms are under Federal laws, they have no juridiction to go to your place or arrest you or seize your guns or whatever reason you're scared of.
Now, even if they had your name, since the firearms are under Federal laws, they have no juridiction to go to your place or arrest you or seize your guns or whatever reason you're scared of.
Did the Quebec court order actually specify that reg. continue in Quebec. I know it says that on the RCMP site but they go by their own rules. Quebec got a court order to keep the data, for now, but to continue the reg. I don't really think so. If anyone actually knows the ruling I would be grateful for the info. Thanks.
