C7 Rack grade accuracy?
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In my experience, the rifle itself is pretty good. 1.5 MOA or better. It`s the ELCAN that`s hit or miss. Some are rock solid, and some will have you sooting circles around a figure 11. All the sight`s adjustments are located in the mount rather than the sight itself, and are pretty fragile.
Though some rifles are prone to abuse. I came across one group of recruits vigorously scraping carbon off the crowns of the barrels with knives. I shudder to think of what that may have done.
Though some rifles are prone to abuse. I came across one group of recruits vigorously scraping carbon off the crowns of the barrels with knives. I shudder to think of what that may have done.
Some aren't bad, some are.
Sometimes I got a rifle that shot good, other times I got ones that couldn't print a group no matter what. Some guys qualified using the pencil
thats funny....
Some aren't bad, some are.
Sometimes I got a rifle that shot good, other times I got ones that couldn't print a group no matter what. Some guys qualified using the pencil
Using the "Clint Eastwood" method - "adapt, improvise and overcome". Unfortunately these are things that are still vital to the survival of CanForces personnel in the field, besides things would just be dull if the equipment worked the way it was supposed to. It's the same "plan" used by the French Foreign Legion, they keep them training in such a way that they're always at a calorie deficit (expending slightly more calories than they consume) so that when they're in combat, they'll fight better hungry than soldiers who have more plentiful nutrition when training.
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Ok, I ll bite. Whats the rack grade accuracy of the FAMAS then? J/k.
Lol at the pencil and carbon scraping.
So without the Elcan then a new C7 (and without the crown destruction) would be capable of at least 2 moa accuracy?
I am guessing ur inquiring on the C7 CDF uses I myself got to use them while in the CDF
out of 3 i used including 1 C7A2 i myself do not like the reliability issues we encountered but I must say I prefer shooting the regular Solid Stock C7 then the Fold Out stock green one they would issue me an iron sight one tho :"/ always gave me that damn useless Trillium Optic One
out of 3 i used including 1 C7A2 i myself do not like the reliability issues we encountered but I must say I prefer shooting the regular Solid Stock C7 then the Fold Out stock green one they would issue me an iron sight one tho :"/ always gave me that damn useless Trillium Optic One
Seriously? Reliability issues with ball ammo?
Something is wrong with your unit weapons or gun plummer...
What on earth is the CDF?
I've had C7's with a known good lot of C77 ball print 5rd touching groups inside .5MOA
I've also had guns that would not group and I don't even think you could call it a pattern. The barrel is capable of sub-moa results -- often its the shooter, and the fact the front handguard is not freefloated.
Shoot prone off the mag with a good gun, good ammo and good scope and it can be a sub-moa gun.
Most guns in field units I would call a sub Mil gun (under 10cm at 100m)
As far as Militia guns, versus reg guns -- the reg gun goes to the field about 20x more a year than the reserve gun, and gets a lot more ammo -- so do the math on which guns would be worn out first.
I've had C7's with a known good lot of C77 ball print 5rd touching groups inside .5MOA
I've also had guns that would not group and I don't even think you could call it a pattern. The barrel is capable of sub-moa results -- often its the shooter, and the fact the front handguard is not freefloated.
Shoot prone off the mag with a good gun, good ammo and good scope and it can be a sub-moa gun.
Most guns in field units I would call a sub Mil gun (under 10cm at 100m)
As far as Militia guns, versus reg guns -- the reg gun goes to the field about 20x more a year than the reserve gun, and gets a lot more ammo -- so do the math on which guns would be worn out first.
Like Jarvy and Kevin said.
The firearm is capable.
Someone should have been put against a wall and shot over the sight mount design.
The shooters are the factor.
C77 ball is probably one of the best service ammunitions available. Some lots better than others.
C7 with carry handle sight, C7A1 with Ecan, C7A2 with green Elcan.
I have seen them all do five round groups you could cover with a dime and others that only zeroed after scrapping the sight and kicking the shooter.
Kevin, my 1957 2L series C1 was still pristine in '84 when I started reserves. I kept it like I found it until they dragged it out of my hands in '88-89.
The firearm is capable.
Someone should have been put against a wall and shot over the sight mount design.
The shooters are the factor.
C77 ball is probably one of the best service ammunitions available. Some lots better than others.
C7 with carry handle sight, C7A1 with Ecan, C7A2 with green Elcan.
I have seen them all do five round groups you could cover with a dime and others that only zeroed after scrapping the sight and kicking the shooter.
Kevin, my 1957 2L series C1 was still pristine in '84 when I started reserves. I kept it like I found it until they dragged it out of my hands in '88-89.
This is sadly true in the early stages of training. Its funny what some instructors consider a clean weapon.....Must be able to see a shinny metal ring inside the flash hider (the crown) or inspection failed. But then and again at that early stage troops are still being taught to slam the forward assist pretty much anytime you do anything. And that the bolt release is impossible to find with your thumb must slap it hard with a open hand. Blank rounds and wanting a weekend off also causes recruits/DP1's to learn some pretty brutal cleaning methods lol.
