C7 sling question

Some shiny kit is sadly necessary. The CF has yet to issue a radio bag that works with body armour and plate carrier/vest on so most Sigs buy their own. Likewise there was no wy our rucks were designed for a sig to do his job (not sure about the new ones as I carry an MR ruck). And of course there was the fabulous 4 mag vest that everyone loves...;)
 
I could tell you guys stories about sling procurement!!! A number of units did buy the VCAS but in small amounts. Most wanted single point bunji slings though by "Blackhawk" even after discussions on what's needed and how they work. Most have now come back and are trying to procure the VCAS after making the wrong choice the first time.
 
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Canadian Sig said:
Some shiny kit is sadly necessary. The CF has yet to issue a radio bag that works with body armour and plate carrier/vest on so most Sigs buy their own. Likewise there was no wy our rucks were designed for a sig to do his job (not sure about the new ones as I carry an MR ruck). And of course there was the fabulous 4 mag vest that everyone loves...;)
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There is a #### tonne of shiny kit required. We're expected to do a First class job as a modern first world nation and we're being armed with left-overs, outdated - sometimes even obsolete (40mm grenade launching machine guns anyone?) equipment.

I guess that's what makes us special. Do the job with 1/10th people, 1/8th the equipment and 1% or less of the budget.
 
the new automatic gernade launchers are pretty nice. but a 300 dollars a round for the smart fuze ammo its like a fire hose of cash. we are talking about the c 16 right?
 
angrysoldier said:
the new automatic gernade launchers are pretty nice. but a 300 dollars a round for the smart fuze ammo its like a fire hose of cash. we are talking about the c 16 right?
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That's the new HK launcher, right? Nifty bit o kit.

"Clothe the Soldier" was supposed to fix all the obvious gear issues. How successful it's been is a subjective matter. Troopies are still buying a lot of their own gear due to real or perceived deficiencies with the issue rig.

Let me tell you about UCR's though... for one thing, they still issue the patrol sling... ;)
 
Most of these 'deficiencies' in proper kit are thought up by mirror commando soldiers who want to look cool in the hundreds of photos they take and immediately post on facebook. Losers. Buying a chest rig? Absolutely makes sense. Maybe a different foregrip if the issued one doesn't suit your fancy, or a daypack of some kind that better suits your job. But seeing guys buying their own mags, buttstocks and the like is absurd, you are not a superhero SF operator and they have that fancy sh!t because they aren't paying for it!

But hey, I'm just a wog so maybe I'm right out of 'er.
 
I would say that they, superhero SF operators, have that kit because it has been proven. Is it free for them, sure. However, if I choose to spend my own money on something that will give me the slightest upper hand or edge in a gun fight, then that does not make me a loser. I don't stand in front of the mirror and don't post on Facebook.

This is the exact reason I stay out of these cyber arguements. Back to lurking the EE for me. Un-subscribe.

To the OP, I appologise for the total derailment of your question.

Hoddie
 
'Daypacks and foregrips' don't make your gun run. Good mags do. Interesting examples you chose to make your argument.

Sakonut said:
Most of these 'deficiencies' in proper kit are thought up by mirror commando soldiers who want to look cool in the hundreds of photos they take and immediately post on facebook. Losers. Buying a chest rig? Absolutely makes sense. Maybe a different foregrip if the issued one doesn't suit your fancy, or a daypack of some kind that better suits your job. But seeing guys buying their own mags, buttstocks and the like is absurd, you are not a superhero SF operator and they have that fancy sh!t because they aren't paying for it!

But hey, I'm just a wog so maybe I'm right out of 'er.
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Go to your unit's support coy/sqn and see the Mat Techs.
They should have rolls of webbing and drawers full of slides and buckles. Add some imagination, ten minutes with a sewing machine and you'll have yourself a sling.
Oh, and coffee. Coffee helps too. :D

Or if you can get ahold an old C9 sling, take it apart and make yourself a cusom C7 sling from that.
 
Winz said:
Be pro-active and start working on your UCRs. It is your responsibility to identify issues rather than just 'This kit sucks.' Be specific, work with the Chain of Command to get this ear-marked.

I don't know if you were referring to a specific incident of kit trials, talking generally or making assumptions.
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UCRs... did anyone on here have any luck at all about having a flow down response to a UCR?

Doubt it!
 
angrysoldier said:
the new automatic gernade launchers are pretty nice. but a 300 dollars a round for the smart fuze ammo its like a fire hose of cash. we are talking about the c 16 right?
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The C16 has its uses, but in the tradition of 'canadianising' originally suitable kit we also f00k it up.

Anyone who has used it will know that the battery requirement is ridiculous. Not an issue with the lithium AA, but the PLGR battery????

Yup, we brought in a new wpn system which currently is using a battery for an obsolete system.

Back on track....
Craftsman 441 said:
Go to your unit's support coy/sqn and see the Mat Techs.
They should have rolls of webbing and drawers full of slides and buckles. Add some imagination, ten minutes with a sewing machine and you'll have yourself a sling.
Oh, and coffee. Coffee helps too. :D

Or if you can get ahold an old C9 sling, take it apart and make yourself a cusom C7 sling from that.
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+1

Or with just a bit of effort, you can rig one yourself.

I'm a BFG VCAS user myself, but I have played around with simple kit like a sling before. eg using a Patrol sling to make a faux VCAS

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=422175
 
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Rule 303 said:
UCRs... did anyone on here have any luck at all about having a flow down response to a UCR?

Doubt it!
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On the contrary. Who are you with?

Anyone can submit a UCR. However, if the intent is to highlight critical issues of kit from an operational/employment capability stand point, it is best to have a consolidated effort through the CoC.

For example, the Coy Ops Sgt may be named the consolidator of feedback from the Coy. Once the info has been vetted, a single initiation can be done on the UCR site for the Unit UCR Coordinator to further action/comment. Once this is done, it is submitted in pending for action through the LCMM.

The originator and/or UCR coordinator will receive responses on the matter and further followup can be done as each UCR has a tracker.

The system isn't perfect by any means. However, if you want better kit, you better put in the effort to voice the issues as well....otherwise, you get what someone thinks is good enough.
 
hoddie said:
Got a new Tag Line. :dancingbanana:

Concur, issue kit sucks. Modify and customize, that is my mantra.

YMMV
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Glad you like it, but it is the truth.

It's pretty telling to have an American Chief Warrant, tell us that the Sgt, Cpl and four Ptes did the job that is normally done by 55-70 Americans AND we left the place cleaner than we found it.
 
Please don't get me started on the, "Tease the Soldier", program.

I figure that all they have accomplished, are being into the twelfth year, of a twenty year pension.
 
If any commerical organizations research, develop, produce or procure like the DND ( or any government ministries), we will be all in bankruptcy and have the Chinese taken over by now.
 
I know a procurement "consultant" that works for the Fed Government.

They hire him to tell them what studies they should hire consultants to do.

no one wants to make any decisions, as no one wants to have a mistake hung on them.. practically everything is deferred to consultants which can be hired and fired at will and are quite willing to have mistakes hung off them.

MASSIVE amounts of money is pissed away deferring responsibility and CYA gyrations.

all while soldier's lives hang in the balance... if it was not so sad , it would be comical.
 
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