C10 was a C7 variant that shot .22's.curtton said:
We hosted a bi-athalon in Pet the winter of 93/94 and they had a few there.
This is all I could find on the 'net about it.
http://yawiki.org/proc/Diemaco_C7
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We hosted a bi-athalon in Pet the winter of 93/94 and they had a few there.
This is all I could find on the 'net about it.
http://yawiki.org/proc/Diemaco_C7
ontgunner said:Since you're on the subject of cadets... what happened with the C10?
When I was in, I had the opportunity to look them over. Seemed like a decent piece of kit.
(Please don't tell me it was deemed a "black rifle" and taken away from the "children")
thanks for the info on the C10 , i have never heard about it before so i cant say what ever happened to them .
so did they bring the C10 for show in the bi-athalon or were they actually competed with them? i wouldnt think C10 were that accurate to be in a bi-athalon.
The cadet movement no longer supports .22 shooting on a National level. With the closing of all DND indoor ranges the move to air rifle shooting has taken it's place. Although the Daisy may not be the best solution for this program it is economical. If every cadet corp was issued 5 Anshutz air rifles at a price of over 1K each, Canada could buy another tank.
Then there is the fact that in some cadet corps, shooting is very low in their priority. This goes along with very few officers have the training or drive to learn much about shooting.
I am a Zone shooting coord for 9 teams in my area, so you can see I am very shooting oriented. Out of 9 teams I have, one that doesn't shoot at all Out of the other 8 teams, two of them don't know you can move the sights on the rifle. 5 of those teams do not have shooting jackets. 3 teams don't use slings at all and only 2 teams use them properly.
Now do you want to give these corps $1000+ rifles, they will need 5 for each corps
Air rifle ranges can be set up anywhere you have room, scholl gym, hallway, drill hall. Cadets are no longer permitted to shoot on civilian indoor ranges.
The cadets have a great program during the summer for those that are interested in shooting. They shoot fullbore rifles out to 1000 yards. However this program is only for Army Cadets, Air and Sea cadets need not apply
Then there is the fact that in some cadet corps, shooting is very low in their priority. This goes along with very few officers have the training or drive to learn much about shooting.
I am a Zone shooting coord for 9 teams in my area, so you can see I am very shooting oriented. Out of 9 teams I have, one that doesn't shoot at all
Out of the other 8 teams, two of them don't know you can move the sights on the rifle. 5 of those teams do not have shooting jackets. 3 teams don't use slings at all and only 2 teams use them properly. Now do you want to give these corps $1000+ rifles, they will need 5 for each corps
Air rifle ranges can be set up anywhere you have room, scholl gym, hallway, drill hall. Cadets are no longer permitted to shoot on civilian indoor ranges.
The cadets have a great program during the summer for those that are interested in shooting. They shoot fullbore rifles out to 1000 yards. However this program is only for Army Cadets, Air and Sea cadets need not apply
maynard said:The cadet movement no longer supports .22 shooting on a National level. With the closing of all DND indoor ranges the move to air rifle shooting has taken it's place. Although the Daisy may not be the best solution for this program it is economical. If every cadet corp was issued 5 Anshutz air rifles at a price of over 1K each, Canada could buy another tank.
Then there is the fact that in some cadet corps, shooting is very low in their priority. This goes along with very few officers have the training or drive to learn much about shooting.
I am a Zone shooting coord for 9 teams in my area, so you can see I am very shooting oriented. Out of 9 teams I have, one that doesn't shoot at all
Now do you want to give these corps $1000+ rifles, they will need 5 for each corps
Air rifle ranges can be set up anywhere you have room, scholl gym, hallway, drill hall. Cadets are no longer permitted to shoot on civilian indoor ranges.
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the cadets are our youth and our future, i support our cadets and our troops.
some of these cadets will join the reserves or regular so it is important that they have some experience is shooting real rifles, real bullets in a range, albeit 22s.
air rifle is important too, good for practice, easy set up anywhere, like you said economical.
but i cant agree that our cadets dont deserves better air rifle than a $300 daisy , and getting them a $1000 anschtuz AIR would be too much and yet, DND have already spent $1000 on anscutz 22cal which are now collecting dust in some cadet units , no place to shoot them so what has changed? good enuff to spend the money then , not good enuff now?
so yes, i do expect all the cadet units to be supplied with better air rifle, even the cadet units that dont shoot, just bcos they dont shoot now doesnt mean they wont shoot later under better shooting leadership.
i know for a fact, that two cadets (never shot their 22cals) from port moody army cadet , they never had a rifle coach but earned a place to compete in the BC provincial shoot 2 weeks ago , they placed 6th and 21st out of 72. pretty good performace from a small cadet unit with only 35 members, just imagine what they could have done if they had a shooting coach.
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Lack of range facility to shoot .22 is the biggest concern. I have asked about getting Anschutz rifle for my corps to shoot .22 but was told they are for bi-athalon only. They are held in central supply and are not issued to corps for plain old smallbore shooting.
At our local DND range shooting from anywhere closer then 100 yards is not possible. Shooting a #7 at a 4ft target at 100 yards does nothing for training. No one uses a rear appreture and front post sight in competition anymore.
The Cadet Air Rifle target has a 2mm 10 ring. the daisy air rifles are accurate enough to shoot 100's. My cadet team will be going to the Ontario cadet provincials next week for the 5th straight year. Of the 20 teams that attend this shoot I would say all of them should be shooting better air rifles. They are well trained, well coached and have a motivated staff. However there are too many corps that don't care and their officers shouldn't even be trusted with Daisys.
At our local DND range shooting from anywhere closer then 100 yards is not possible. Shooting a #7 at a 4ft target at 100 yards does nothing for training. No one uses a rear appreture and front post sight in competition anymore.
The Cadet Air Rifle target has a 2mm 10 ring. the daisy air rifles are accurate enough to shoot 100's. My cadet team will be going to the Ontario cadet provincials next week for the 5th straight year. Of the 20 teams that attend this shoot I would say all of them should be shooting better air rifles. They are well trained, well coached and have a motivated staff. However there are too many corps that don't care and their officers shouldn't even be trusted with Daisys.
maynard said:
not many 100s can be attained with a daisy. last year at the cadet national marksmenship in sask, the two top teams are BC and ontario, BC teams with 10 shooters shooting 12 targets each, out of possible 120 targets, scored only 4 perfect 100s , thats less then 4%. ontario got 3 perfect score.
yes, many corps dont care and thats no fault of the cadets, i believe some cadets do want to shoot, but like you said its the officers, lack of training or lack of interest. it does take alot of the coachs time to build a team i must admit.
in anycase your team are doing well so keep up the good work and good luck in the provincial.
ps. im not trying to spook you, lol....the cadet from port moody army cadet that came in 6th in the BC provincial and didnt make it into the composite team to shoot at the nationals, well, he scored 381/400 so you can imagine how strong of a team BC has.
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hey not everything makes sense
but at least they are still shooting
as for the le 22s its on my shopping list
but at least they are still shooting
as for the le 22s its on my shopping list
curtton said:
If everyone shot 100 everytime there would be no clear winner.
The target has to be challenging enough that this won't happen everytime, but easy enough that it can with the rifle used. One of the main reasons to use the 2mm 10 ring instead of the International 1mm.
381/400 wouldn't make an Ontario Team either I am afraid. It might advance a Junior to the nationals but not a senior shooter. 385/400 will likely be minimum score for a composite team. Ontario gets to send 2 composite teams. I have sent one shooter to the nationals in the past, that trip was to NFLD. This year it won't be such a big trip if we send someone. The nationals are 1 hour down the road from here this year.
I've never even heard of the No.8, other than the pg stock are there any other mechanical enhancements over the number 7 ? The bolt looks different. Is the rear sight attach ment different to allow easier mounting of good rear sights, like in the pictured example?
The No. 8 was not used in Canada. It is very different from a Cdn. CNo. 7 in breeching, trigger mechanism, etc. Most of the ones you see in Canada are ex-NZ.
The Daisy 853Cs serve their purpose. I'm surprised at their level of accuracy, and how well they do hold up. A common rifle and a common target maintains a level playing field; the teams who do well do so because of skill development, coaching, etc.
The Daisy 853Cs serve their purpose. I'm surprised at their level of accuracy, and how well they do hold up. A common rifle and a common target maintains a level playing field; the teams who do well do so because of skill development, coaching, etc.
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Yes, it's an N /|\ Z stamp, which was the smaller contract. From what I know, it's based on a #4 receiver, so a PH5C bolts up perfectly. Very crisp two stage trigger, which can be converted to single, and adjusted. IIRC it's set at about 48 oz or so.
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Grouse Man said:
On an old Canadian Forces supply microfiche I saved from 1984, the #8 rifle is listed in there, indicating that there were stocks at one time. From my aircadet days, I only recall using/seeing the Cno7s, and we also had the cooey 82s for drill rifles.
Our indoor range here in Shilo was recently closed. The reason given was cost saving as opposed to the lead problem. Sure makes for a long boring winter without that range.
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we had the .22 no 4s (are those the eights? if so what are the SMLE .22s)
and for drill we had no 4s that were pinned ......
I wish i had a few of those stocks now
and for drill we had no 4s that were pinned ......
I wish i had a few of those stocks now
The local Squadron's Anschutz .22's WERE NOT provided by DND. Local sponsoring body and local service clubs provided the funding well over 20 years ago. But now DND says "they" own them. $5K plus of low round count target rifles gathering dust except for one or two outdoor range trips per year
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kayceel said:The local Squadron's Anschutz .22's WERE NOT provided by DND. Local sponsoring body and local service clubs provided the funding well over 20 years ago. But now DND says "they" own them. $5K plus of low round count target rifles gathering dust except for one or two outdoor range trips per year
I recall the same thing from about 30 years ago. The Lion's club in Wpg was our sponsor, and bought the Anschutz rifles for us.
Funny, after having shot in that little indoor range in the basement of the McGregor armouries, which had no filtration system whatsoever, and we all still turned out somewhat normal and healthy.
stencollector said:
Hmm, that explains why when I tried to look up which Anschutz models we used, they said 'various Anschutz target rifles'... dang.
Of course, while they are expensive up front, the rifles get used for a long time - I think our guns were nearly as old as the squadron.
Does DND provide the No. 7's, or do we have to buy those too?
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I think you will find that the 7's have been the origionals in circulation.
One of my local corps had access to a range at the high school they did there weekly training at in pickering and the last year i was there the garison did training with the 22's at CFB Borden at 2 out of three weekend ex's that was 3 or 4 years ago though
