Campro Plated Bullets and Hodgson CFE Pistol powder

4n2t0 said:
I'm not sure why you're fighting this so hard. CamPro = FMJ data. Done.

You can blab until the cows come home but those that know better won't listen.
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I answered the guy's question?
Ohhh sorry, reading comprehension is an issue for you, my bad.
I don't really care how you load for your firearms, really... don't care.
But you never did answer my question on what kind of CUP or PSI pressure testing equipment you have? I mean since you state they are identical pressure and all that to jacketed bullets, while discrediting one of the largest powder companies in the world (Hodgdon) so you must have BETTER equipment then they have?
You wouldn't make that statement out of thin air would you? Nahhh...not like that ever happens on CGN.
And of course the owner of Berrys would not know what he is talking about either...
There is a lot of misconception on what a plated bullet is in this thread. I would not describe our plated as well as Rainier as having "Razor Thin Plating". Depending on caliber our plating is no less than .006" and goes up to .012" thick. Speer TMJ bullets are a plated bullet with an even thicker plating coming close to a jacket at about .015 in thickness. Berry's and Rainier bullets have a swaged lead core and have enough plating on them to be used as a practice or match bullet. Nobody pours molten lead in a drawn jacket to make a bullet, the are swaged from lead wire made on a wire extruder under great pressure. Plated bullets are made to fill a niche and not intended to be used as a self defense or magnum projectile. For that I use a jacketed bullet and not our plated bullet. I hope I don't come across as defensive with this, but they were made to fit a specific need.
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https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4124526#post4124526
 
Use Hodgdon’s data but start low. Also use caution with the Campro bullets. I found that they were very inconsistent in 9mm. I wouldn’t recommend loading Campro bullets hot.
 
Hitzy said:
I answered the guy's question?
Ohhh sorry, reading comprehension is an issue for you, my bad.
I don't really care how you load for your firearms, really... don't care.
But you never did answer my question on what kind of CUP or PSI pressure testing equipment you have? I mean since you state they are identical pressure and all that to jacketed bullets, while discrediting one of the largest powder companies in the world (Hodgdon) so you must have BETTER equipment then they have?
You wouldn't make that statement out of thin air would you? Nahhh...not like that ever happens on CGN.
And of course the owner of Berrys would not know what he is talking about either...

https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4124526#post4124526
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I'm not sure why you're imagining that anyone is discrediting Hodgdon. They have never tested a campro bullet, so they don't even offer loads for them or an an opinion on them. On the other hand, campro specifically says that FMJ data should be used with their bullets, so no one's statement is made out of thin air, we're just repeating what the manufacturer of said bullet publishes. This is supported in the real world by the 100s of 1000s of magnum shots those of us have taken using campros.

So until we actually see load datas for campros on Hodgdon's website, I'll be happy to use campros to the usual full power load. Then we can start arguing whether campro or Hodgdon has better testing equipment.
 
To the OP, I use 5.6gr cfepistol with a 180 gr campro HP. I could have gone hotter, but this gave me best accuracy. Recoil is milder than factory but due to different impulse I think more than anything else.
 
VinnyQC said:
Then we can start arguing whether campro or Hodgdon has better testing equipment.
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Do you know if CanPro even has pressure testing equipment? We can assume Hodgdon does or has access to the equipment because they publish pressure markers.

I do like Can Pro bullets and used them quite a bit before moving over to BDX FMJ. The latter seem to have more consistent diameters which is not to say CanPro are not good bullets I just prefer the BDX offerings. My PPQ doesn't do lead bullets well but shines using BDX FMJ. I have not tried the gun using plated but expect the gun will perform equally well.

Most of us who actually reload do have our personal preferences based upon our own experiences based upon our individual requirements.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
Do you know if CanPro even has pressure testing equipment? We can assume Hodgdon does or has access to the equipment because they publish pressure markers.

I do like Can Pro bullets and used them quite a bit before moving over to BDX FMJ. The latter seem to have more consistent diameters which is not to say CanPro are not good bullets I just prefer the BDX offerings. My PPQ doesn't do lead bullets well but shines using BDX FMJ. I have not tried the gun using plated but expect the gun will perform equally well.

Most of us who actually reload do have our personal preferences based upon our own experiences based upon our individual requirements.

Take Care

Bob
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I don't know which equipment campro or Hodgdon has. I know which equipment we have in our lab :)

The point is very moot though. You can have the best equipment in the world, if you haven't made a particular test, it doesn't mean anything. Hodgdon hasn't tested campro bullets. At all. Or they did but have never said a word about it, which from our point of view is the exact same thing. Saying "Hodgdon has the best equipment therefore they know everything about campros" is like saying "hospital XYZ has the best cancer detection equipment in the world therefore they know if you have cancer", although you've never visited that hospital, and that hospital has never said anything about you or your health.
 
vinnyqc I am going to go out on the limb here and suggest CanPro doesn't have any pressure testing equipment. I am also going to suggest it really doesn't matter whether they do or they don't. They make a very good plated bullet, made in Canada like BDX are. Buy what you want and shoot what you want.

Plated bullets are not the same as FMJ bullets. Whether it matters materially or not is in the minds of the shooters. For what I shoot it makes no difference. For practice I prefer my own cast lead bullets that only cost me the time it takes to cast them and a bit of lube. I have shot them from 9MM - 30-06 with excellent results and had a lot of fun doing it. For IDPA, ASC and IPSC matches I prefer plated or jacketed because their is no lube smoke to deal with using the condom bullets. We all have our favourites.

Take Care

Bob
 
For what its worth I reload .008 plated bullets to jacketed data as per Campro's instructions.

357mag, 158gr Campro, 8.7gr of HS-6, CCI 550, Heavy tapered crimp "2 stage"
The load is very accurate and burns clean. When I up it to 9.3gr "near max" the primers start to flatten, so I backed off to 8.7grs
When I dug the bullets out of the berm, the were full intact with not breaks in the plate.


50AE, 300gr Berrys, 34gr of WIN296, CCI 350, heavy tapered crimp "2 stage"
Accurate and a hand full, primer shows flattening but no crater or ejector marks on brass "unlike Hornaby factory ammo"
I dug these bullets out too and the plating was intact with no cracks in he plate.

Berrys .008" bullets are rated up to 2000fps, Campro being the same thickness should be the same.
https://www.berrysmfg.com/item/50-caliber-500-300-gr-round-shoulder

Berry's standard thickness is .0035" rated max 1250fps and Berry's thick plated is .0008 rated max 2000fps. So Campro in theory should be good for any 44mag and below. I have not tested them at these velocities yet "waiting on RCBS to send me a replacement die"
 
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The post and link I put above is a quote from Berry's owner...
Depending on caliber our plating is no less than .006" and goes up to .012" thick.
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I guarantee those .50cal/2000fps are NOT 8thou plated, section one sometime and measure it. They don't list the thickness for the high velocity pistol pills so it would be interesting to see what it really is.
Same thread regarding the 30carbine Berry plated:
We do make a .30 carbine bullet that has been tested to 2,000fps with no problem. That bullet has double the plating at about .015" so it can handle the pressure.
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https://www.berrysmfg.com/item/50-caliber-500-300-gr-round-shoulder

Description
Berry's Superior Plated Bullets are swaged and plated to final weight and re-struck
for accuracy and precision. They are more affordable than jacketed rounds and
won't foul your barrel with lead.

SAAMI MAX COL = 2.250"
Can withstand velocities up to 2000 fps.


https://www.berrysmfg.com/faq#FAQ10
Question: How thick is the "jacket" on your bullets?

Depending upon the caliber, the thickness of the plating on our bullets, ranges from 3.5 up to 8 thousandths of an inch of plating on each side. This is thicker than paper and ensures no lead in your bore. The bullets designed for higher velocities (45-70, 500 S&W etc.) have the thickest plating.

Seems to me like Berry says 0.008'' plating can withstand 2000fps. Maybe they don't have good enough equipment...
 
50AE are probably.012” by the sounds of it, thanks!

I will test my 44mag Campro’s once my proper die comes in from the USA. Nothing better than finding out someone mixed in a 45lc seating die into your 44mag set :(
 
Berry's used to have that you load their bullets like hard cast. No that is gone.


This is on the faq section. Read the last line.

"Question: Why is the bullet diameter 0.001" bigger than my load book recommends?
Berry's Mfg sizes our .32 cal, 38 Super, 9mm, 40/10mm and .45 ACP a thousandth larger than the standard FMJ round diameter. It is completely safe to load, as our bullet is constructed out of a soft lead and then plated with copper, which does not cause the pressure spikes that an oversized FMJ round would. The plated bullet pressure curve resembles that of the hard cast or lead bullets."

Rainier say to load their's like jacketed.
 
Sorry for being late to the party,

CAMPRO 180 gr TC FCP with 5.8 gr CFE Pistol @ 1.130 gives an average of 950 fps.

Although this is my result, you should start near the starting load.
 
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