i had too and that is why i enjoy those threads ...
Can a store keep my fully transferred handgun from me
- Thread starter Ravage
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i had too and that is why i enjoy those threads ...
freekshow001
Regular
- Location
- Victoria, BC
If a company changes the terms after the sale then it would be on the company to cover the difference. Now if you want your firearm in a timely fashion just pay the $15 or save $15 and fight them. Personally i would let it sit with them for a month and if you still don’t have your firearm then report it to the rcmp as stolen and let the company explain to the rcmp on why they haven’t shipped your firearm
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For those saying the OP is wrong for selecting UPS for shipping. It is not the responsibility of the buyer to know the policies of the shipping company. No where does it state on Tenda's shipping policy that firearms must be shipped via CP. Tenda should not offer that as an option when checking out with a firearm.
Also, the fact that Tenda does not respond to this thread or alligation says something in its self. Good customer service would be to ship this guy his gun, with the full insurance and eat the $15 and then update their shipping policy so this does not happen again.
The term pyrrhic victory is really applicable here. The OP could very well never see his gun. While Tenda does have a legal requirement to forfill their end of the deal, there is really no way to enforce it. The Op could call the police and report that Tenda "stole" his gun. They may go over to the store, interview the owner and then decide it is a civil matter. As long as the gun is accounted for and securly stored they won't persue it any further.
Tenda could close its doors tomorrow. No more response to emails/ phone calls. Insolvency, bankrupsy, seizure of assets etc. Any of these things could happen and the pistol would get lost among the shuffle.
Also, the fact that Tenda does not respond to this thread or alligation says something in its self. Good customer service would be to ship this guy his gun, with the full insurance and eat the $15 and then update their shipping policy so this does not happen again.
The term pyrrhic victory is really applicable here. The OP could very well never see his gun. While Tenda does have a legal requirement to forfill their end of the deal, there is really no way to enforce it. The Op could call the police and report that Tenda "stole" his gun. They may go over to the store, interview the owner and then decide it is a civil matter. As long as the gun is accounted for and securly stored they won't persue it any further.
Tenda could close its doors tomorrow. No more response to emails/ phone calls. Insolvency, bankrupsy, seizure of assets etc. Any of these things could happen and the pistol would get lost among the shuffle.
Our shipping department has determined that UPS will be the most affordable choice in shipping for this order.
While we have already covered the basic shipping fees and some additional costs, there will be an extra $9.32 extended area fee that we are unable to cover due to your location.
May we charge that amount to your original payment method?
While we have already covered the basic shipping fees and some additional costs, there will be an extra $9.32 extended area fee that we are unable to cover due to your location.
May we charge that amount to your original payment method?
JACKSMYDOG
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Haldimand County, Ontario
So to all those saying don't pay, what is your solution if Tenda stands their ground? Cancel the gun? Drive to Ontario? Small claims court? Leave it sitting at Tenda for X years?
This tread was started on the 14 th now we are the 29 th. A good 2 week ago..so what the OP do ?? No matter what we say here, it remain between him and Tenda. Yapping over here will not give him his gun any faster.
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Nothing have changed anything. The OP is not even showing up to give an update on what he has done to get that over with, one way or the other, after two weeks of drama.
Just a bunch of old ladies yapping..that what this post is now.
Just a bunch of old ladies yapping..that what this post is now.
I doubt a handgun not in the registered owner's possession is a civil matter. If the rcmp were to ever show up at his house to verify his restricted guns and it isn't where he said it would be that is a big no-no. It would be treated as a criminal matter no doubt.
I am having a major issue with a store on here that is telling me they will transfer my handgun back to them so they can resell even tho the gun is fully paid for and transferred to me and I am holding the registration in my hand. The issue is they have decided on their own to change shipping companies months after sale and want me to pay the difference and I have refused to pay additional costs because they decided to use a different shipping company.
I don't think they can transfer my handgun away from me without my permission because they are having shipping issues on their end can they ?
Really getting angered at the emails threatening me and my property unless I pay them extra after the sale for something they did without my consent, Its not even the shipping actually since the sale included free shipping the issue is they are saying I have to pay extra insurance because they switched to a different company. I told them I in good faith paid fully for my handgun and the insurance then they switched after so they should cover the cost since they are the ones changing shipping companies and not me and I fully paid for my purchase already and it was fully insured and they are saying they will resell my handgun if I don't pay them
UPDATED for more clarification
I originally posted this in the pistol thread but apparently it has been moved to the Tenda thread now so I feel I need to clarify a few things because of this change. I did not mention Tenda in my first post I just asked a question about ownership but it became very apparent from the posts people just said Tenda on their own which goes to show this is not an isolated incident and their business practices are well know so I did confirm later it was Tenda.
So here it is more of an explanation I was looking for a CZ P-07 and so I made the purchase from Tenda as they had them in stock at the time. I paid fully on my credit card and chose UPS as the shipper as I at the exact same time had also purchased a CZ P-10SC from another store in Ontario using UPS ( YES I really like CZ pistols )
$879.99 - P-07
Free Shipping
$9.09 - Insurance
$44.00 - GST
I fully paid $933.08 for the P-07 and the sale as completed and the transfer initiated, Fast forward ahead to after approval of transfer and we then come to the issue. Tenda sends me a message that they have changed the shipping from UPS to Canada Post and that I must either wave shipping insurance and ship $1000 purchase uninsured or give them an additional $15 or they will cancel the sale. I replied that I had already paid for insurance and they had switched the shipping company not me so in my mind they should make up for the difference on their end especially how they had already increased the price of the P-07 quite a bit from what they were selling them for only 6 months earlier I felt it was on Tenda not me.
They messaged me back saying UPS does not ship to my city of 70,000 people in Alberta and I have to pay the $15 or decline insurance, Now as I previously said I had also purchased a P-10SC from another store and that transfer also went through at the same time and that store was shipping using UPS and that shipment went through and they gave me the tracking number for the shipment so I messaged Tenda saying that UPS does indeed ship to my city as I currently have a P-10SC being shipped to me at this very moment. Today I have my P-10SC in my possession as UPS did in fact deliver it to me with no issues at all
Tenda's shipping policy (posted on their website) allows for the possibility of shipping charges to "remote areas", even when free shipping has been quoted on the invoice.
That being said, they should *never* have transferred the pistol to you with T&Cs of sale unmet precisely because they can't transfer the pistol back. That being said, if you can't agree to shipping terms they can "hold for pickup" until such time as you change your mind about shipping.
Good luck getting your pistol.
Right... that's the real problem here. Ownership is a civil matter, while registration and possession are criminal matters. Right now my understanding is that OP may not own the firearm but it is registered to them.
The real challenge is how to resolve this and let everyone save face (the same could be said about the Ukraine). If I was OP I would look around for something else on the site that I need that could be shipped with the firearm (not sure if ammo qualifies) and then say "hey look if I buy XYZ and pay the standard shipping on it will you ship me the firearm ?". That way neither side has to back down.
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i have read the original post from the original poster and it sucks to be in your situation. As it stands now if they are being """stinky""" pay them the difference for your gun again and after it is sent then let them have it. Going back on the original purchase shows me that they don't value customers. They truly say a good word goes along way; a horrible review can ruin a business reputation all for $15.00 seems excessive but I'm not the business owner.
JACKSMYDOG
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Haldimand County, Ontario
It's only a big no no, if he transported it illegally which is not the case. The registered owner doesn't have to be in possession at all times, and hasn't done anything wrong if he hasn't taken possession yet.
The retailer not having shipped it isn't criminal. That happens with every restricted sale, for varied length of time. Some go out that day, some sit for days or weeks before shipping or pick-up. The retailer not fulfilling the shipping contract is a civil issue.
Many companies do this. We encounter it all the time out my way. It's happened to me multiple times ordering ammo and once with a firearm. One time, I was asked to pay $300 extra for shipping. That said, sometimes it ships no problem. I understand this from the company standpoint as well, but it's making it really hard to buy anything when it goes on sale.
And they are going to get away with it again. My wife ordered a CZ Shadow 2 from them on Aug 20. It was free shipping with $100 insurance. She opted to pay for full insurance for an extra $20. Fast forward a few weeks. Her transfer was approved yesterday, today she gets an email stating that for full insurance she needs to pay another $32 or she can cancel the extra insurance and have it shipped with only $100 insurance and they will refund the original $20 extra insurance charge. It’s very petty on their part to ask for another $32 for shipping insurance on a $2000 purchase. We will pay it but it will be our one and only purchase from Tenda. Too bad because they seem to have good selection and fair to decent pricing.
FatCatsDad
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Guns can go Canada Post, then there is no issues with remote town delivery.
Costs remain somewhat constant with price increases well publicized before implementation.
So if I sell a gun on the EE with shipping included like I normally do , an NR for EG. to someone 4 provinces away and then say I need $20 extra for shipping as I screwed up the costs, now what ? if he refuses ??
I keep the gun ?, its the buyers gun just waiting for him to get if he refuses to pay the extra $20 ? is this a new way to make an extra $20 on every sale ?
Costs remain somewhat constant with price increases well publicized before implementation.
So if I sell a gun on the EE with shipping included like I normally do , an NR for EG. to someone 4 provinces away and then say I need $20 extra for shipping as I screwed up the costs, now what ? if he refuses ??
I keep the gun ?, its the buyers gun just waiting for him to get if he refuses to pay the extra $20 ? is this a new way to make an extra $20 on every sale ?
