Especially considering the quality of Remington barrels today. At 50 m. with my 504 and high vel ammo, I had a .95, .7, .85, .56,.95, and 1.1 inch groups. Shooting 5 and take the best four was considerably more impressive . . .
Can somebody explain to me the purpose of "match grade" .22lr rifles?
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I don't know shazam, those little suckers can be pretty darn accurate! Here's a pic of a group from my 597 LS HB at 25 yards with cheapie Federal Gameshoks. What more can one ask of a $300 rifle? Bought mine brand new from Wholesale Sports, and I think it will be the last rifle I'd sell. That's a five shot group by the way.
20 metre groups mean very little when talking braggable groups out at 100m's. Some of the finest combinations of rifle and ammo at 50 m's will do squat at twice the distance. There is a huge difference from 50 m's (or even 80 m's) to 100m's in 22 rimfires. Interestingly, the ammo that does just OK groups at 50 may end up staying tighter at 100 over the one hole 50m stuff.
yeah, definitely agree there...
I think, however, that it is probably safe to say that if you can do 1" at 100m, then you can probably do .2" at 20m
Just not the other way around
(i.e. .2" at 20m does not imply that you can do 1" at 100m)
I think, however, that it is probably safe to say that if you can do 1" at 100m, then you can probably do .2" at 20m
Just not the other way around
(i.e. .2" at 20m does not imply that you can do 1" at 100m)
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Is that a two shots group?
(Sorry couldn't resist)
I'm glad and impress that your 597 and you can shoot this good...
As for match rifles, they are for real shooter
that don't just shoot off a bench using sand bags and high power scope... (no offence to the benchrest crowd intended)Try shooting a 3 position match @ 50M using the 597, 120 rounds later you'll better understand the need for the fancy rifle and other shooting gears... the rifle and shooter have to perform for every single rounds, there are no second chance and if you screw up, you just cannot start over on the next target.
Safe shooting,
Mike.
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That was on the handgun stand, with a sandbag for forend support only. I just placed the other bag there for support while I took the picture.The centre bull with the dotted line around it is exactly 3/8". I just measured a fresh target. I'll admit that a 597 is no match grade rifle, but for a cheap semi, they are not too shabby. By the way this rifle will also do 1" groups at 100. If I can find a target I'll post it, if not next range trip I'll bring my camera.
It's fully stock, I just added the scope. I think it's an old Tasco, I bought it used, 4-12 power. I find these rifles are fussy about ammo. Some groups I've shot look like a pattern board after a shot with my 1100.
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.22 RF at 100 m.
A general rule of thumb is that you multiply a 50 m group by 1.5 to estimate the 100 m group because the load variances magnify the error over distance.
A general rule of thumb is that you multiply a 50 m group by 1.5 to estimate the 100 m group because the load variances magnify the error over distance.
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Yes it is quite the gun to shoot
Very accurate and great balance/feel to it. Wouldn't be so great for benchrest though.
Nice shooting, 3/4" group at 100 yards is a really great group!
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Shooting a .22 at 100 yards is really a whole different game however. I can average 1/4" or less at 50 yards and find my groups open up 3-4 times the size at 100 yards, so .2" groups at 20 or 25 yards definately do not imply 1" groups at 100 yards (having said that nice shooting!)
Here are a couple more pictures of my heavily tuned benchrest gun - 10 shot groups at 100 yards.
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Nice gear AND really super nice results cz452shooter...
There you go, right in your photos, solid proof of what you are capable of with the right gear and plenty of triggertime. We all can see your results.....
Regular "Sniper" with that czech rifle, cz452shooter!
PS That CZ looks like a Suhl 150, at that angled photo ( with that supreme muzzle tuner?)
There you go, right in your photos, solid proof of what you are capable of with the right gear and plenty of triggertime. We all can see your results.....
Regular "Sniper" with that czech rifle, cz452shooter!
PS That CZ looks like a Suhl 150, at that angled photo ( with that supreme muzzle tuner?)
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.22 lr bullet is too slow to shoot good at 100. if one can shoot 1" with cheap ammo and $300 gun all day long, he really should join 2008 beijing olympic
cz452shooter: I love the look of your FEINWERKBAU, can you give some for info? how much do they cost? do they come in left hand?
thanks
cz452shooter: I love the look of your FEINWERKBAU, can you give some for info? how much do they cost? do they come in left hand?
thanks
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Thanks Brutus!!
As Shorty mentioned, the gun is a Winchester 52D: Particulars are:
Winchester barreled action
McMillian Light benchrest stock
Hoehn Tuner
Henrich Mid barrel tuner
Trigger? Kenyon??? 2oz or so anyway
Action trued and blueprinted
Weaver T20 Scope
And yes, the thing on the end is the Barrel tuner (made by Hoehn) and the one in the middle is also a tuner made by henrich.
.22 lr bullet is too slow to shoot good at 100. if one can shoot 1" with cheap ammo and $300 gun all day long, he really should join 2008 beijing olympic
cz452shooter: I love the look of your FEINWERKBAU, can you give some for info? how much do they cost? do they come in left hand?
thanks
I see shorty gave a link but it shows up in a different language on my computer so here is another english link.
http://www.brenzovich.com/feinwerkbau_sbrifles.htm
I am not sure if they come in left hand or not.
The number of ways you can adjust it in is simply amazing. Just about every direction; especially in the grip, cheekpiece, but plate and forend (so basically the whole stock
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Not really. Maybe a little but basically I find a front tuner setting that the gun likes (there are 500 in all) and then I put the mid barrel tuner on and move it up and down the barrel until I find a spot it likes. If I move the front one around it doesn't affect it too much.
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Nothing personal zZ denis, but I would say that your 1" group, at 100yards, with your stated rifle/ammo combination, is a one-off, and not a day-in, day-out routine.
After giving it a concerted effort with my own .22 ES350b Mauser, and witnessing here on this forum, CZ452shooters hard won results...I can honestly say I do not believe you.
Perhaps I would IF you "lived" at your rifle range and had an extremely lucky accurate lot of CCI Mini-Mags, PLUS an excellent scope like the mentioned T-20 Weaver scope,not to mention a will to do so and matching expense in hour after hour practice....but otherwise, sorry much doubt from my end.
There are .22 LR acoutraments that are of high quality and get my attention, for example Eley Tenex or Lapua Scoremax ammo, Lilja after market barrels, and CZ452's Hienrich barrel tuner.
A good repeatable tracking scope of high power/high quality.
You mentioned none of these items, or equal grade accessories in your post that are nesseccary for .22 match results of repute.
Perhaps, you are an Olympic shooter, and I will have to eat these words.
Cheers....
After giving it a concerted effort with my own .22 ES350b Mauser, and witnessing here on this forum, CZ452shooters hard won results...I can honestly say I do not believe you.
Perhaps I would IF you "lived" at your rifle range and had an extremely lucky accurate lot of CCI Mini-Mags, PLUS an excellent scope like the mentioned T-20 Weaver scope,not to mention a will to do so and matching expense in hour after hour practice....but otherwise, sorry much doubt from my end.
There are .22 LR acoutraments that are of high quality and get my attention, for example Eley Tenex or Lapua Scoremax ammo, Lilja after market barrels, and CZ452's Hienrich barrel tuner.
A good repeatable tracking scope of high power/high quality.
You mentioned none of these items, or equal grade accessories in your post that are nesseccary for .22 match results of repute.
Perhaps, you are an Olympic shooter, and I will have to eat these words.
Cheers....
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FWIW, CCI is incredibly consistent for a 'cheap' ammo.
That said, my 1413 with irons, slung, unsupported prone, can do 100/8X or better, but only if I dedicate a minimum of 4 hours a week.
Edit to add: with Eley match...It smells funny but it works.
jl
That said, my 1413 with irons, slung, unsupported prone, can do 100/8X or better, but only if I dedicate a minimum of 4 hours a week.
Edit to add: with Eley match...It smells funny but it works.
jl
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juliet lima, thank you for your input.....
Yave you tried your rig at 100 yards?
I believe that rifle of yours is an Anchutz yes?
If it is, a 1403 is a kind of nice, real nice, Match grade rifle, and in a higher target league than a Remington 597.
I must say juliet lima you reek of credibility.....
Yave you tried your rig at 100 yards?
I believe that rifle of yours is an Anchutz yes?
If it is, a 1403 is a kind of nice, real nice, Match grade rifle, and in a higher target league than a Remington 597.
I must say juliet lima you reek of credibility.....
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