Can somebody explain to me the purpose of "match grade" .22lr rifles?

I shoot at 20m. 50m is the furthest I go with this rifle and I can usually hold a little better than a 1/4". Beyond that it just falls apart.

Yep, it's an Anschutz, the SIM.

Brutus said:
...you reek of credibility.....;)
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oh very good sir, very good.

jl
 
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Ever shoot metallic silhouette? the 100m ram targets are 5x2" and you shoot them off your hind legs. A 1" group (which I'm skeptical a 597 will do without seeing it myself) is less than adequate. Shoot an Anschutz Model 54 with match ammo and see what 100 meter accuracy is all about.
 
My rifle is a 54 action but I can't do that...15lbs plus weights offhand at 100m with irons at a 2 x 5 target?...I'd be lucky to hit the sky

jl
 
Can you group 1/4" 100 yards? No - you may get a real lucky group that goes to 1/4 "when the stars alligng but I don't think 1/4" groups at 100 yards with current technology is at all possible.
I have shot 3 rd groups of 3/16 " at 100 yds with sorted .22 (weight and rim thickness) and other shooters using my rifle have done the same -but only when ABSOLUTLY no wind -
 
As Shorty mentioned, the gun is a Winchester 52D:
Particulars are:
Winchester barreled action
McMillian Light benchrest stock
Hoehn Tuner
Henrich Mid barrel tuner
Trigger? Kenyon??? 2oz or so anyway
Action trued and blueprinted
Weaver T20 Scope
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Jordan,
Unless you have changed it, the trigger on that rifle should be the factory 52-D trigger, heavily reworked.
Nice to see you are taking good care of it.
I cant believe you are still using that old T-20.
Must be nice to have young eyes.
 
reg said:
Jordan,
Unless you have changed it, the trigger on that rifle should be the factory 52-D trigger, heavily reworked.
Nice to see you are taking good care of it.
I cant believe you are still using that old T-20.
Must be nice to have young eyes.
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Thanks for clearing that up reg.

I am sure I will upgrade one day but for now this scope seems to suffice. I almost bought a new T36 for it but decided last minute that for now I would continue to use the T20. The young eyes do help ;)
 
Wow, i kinda forgot about this thread. Didnt expect it to get so many replies.

Let me clear up a few things:
- I never said that it shoots 1" 100m groups "on command"! I have shot 1" groups at 100 meters on occasion (3-5 shots), but obviously not consistantly. The rifle is incredibly accurate for it's price. A friend of mine bought the exact same rifle (from the same store) and his, brand new out of the box is not as accurate as mine after 1500+rds. Im not sure why.. It could be that Remington "accidently" popped out a rifle with tolerances much higher than spec.
Typically, 5 shot groups at 100m will go into 1.5"-1.75" consistantly on a non-windy day using CCI Minimags. The rifle is extremly picky when it comes to ammo - it LOVES CCI Minimags for some reason. I dont think i ever had a single malfunction with these, something that i cant say about other ammo.
I'll have to try the rifle with match ammo and see what kind of groups i get.
Here's a picture:
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zZ_denis said:
I have been wondering for a while. I have a remy 597, the cheapest model you can get. Its semi-auto, had over 1500 rounds through it and groups around 1" at 100meters using CCI Mini-mags, and has no modifications on it whatsoever. I presume that the accuracy of an entry-level .22lr bolt action rifle with match ammo would be even better.
Now i've seen some rimfire rifles go for well over 2000$. Can somebody explain to me why? So you can group 1/4" at 100 m? Now i would understand this on a large caliber rifle, where such accuracy variation would make a huge difference at 1000meters or so, but its not like you can shoot .22lr much further than 100m anyway...
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You come out and shoot 1" groups with that 597......until then, I call bull####.
 
mysticplayer - take a look at this 5 shot group I shot at 50yards :cool:

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Not my average group size but my best one yet. Average group size with good ammunition and on a decent day runs closer to about .2"

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You come out and shoot 1" groups with that 597......until then, I call bulls**t.
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Hitzy, you may have missed his last post. I aggree that 1" groups are hard to shoot at 100 yards with a sporter style .22 but I can see a group every now and then going under 1" or 3/4" but zZ-denis pointed out in his last post that on average it is more 1.5-1.75 :)

Wow, i kinda forgot about this thread. Didnt expect it to get so many replies.

zZ_denis said:
Let me clear up a few things:
- I never said that it shoots 1" 100m groups "on command"! I have shot 1" groups at 100 meters on occasion (3-5 shots), but obviously not consistantly. The rifle is incredibly accurate for it's price. A friend of mine bought the exact same rifle (from the same store) and his, brand new out of the box is not as accurate as mine after 1500+rds. Im not sure why.. It could be that Remington "accidently" popped out a rifle with tolerances much higher than spec.
Typically, 5 shot groups at 100m will go into 1.5"-1.75" consistantly on a non-windy day using CCI Minimags. The rifle is extremly picky when it comes to ammo - it LOVES CCI Minimags for some reason. I dont think i ever had a single malfunction with these, something that i cant say about other ammo.
I'll have to try the rifle with match ammo and see what kind of groups i get.
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"Can somebody explain to me the purpose of "match grade" .22lr rifles? "

I finally figured out the reason for this thread.:)

I guess I been wasting my time buying brno's, Anschtuz's etc because all one really needs do is to buy a Rem 597 :puke: and have a real tack driving rimfire.:D

I guess I should unload all my three position Iron sighted rifles and get one of those 597's:rolleyes: Save myself a ton of money to boot:D

Anyone else gonna do the same?:p
 
brnolvr said:
I guess I been wasting my time buying brno's, Anschtuz's etc ...

I guess I should unload all my three position Iron sighted rifles and get one of those 597's ...

Anyone else gonna do the same?:p
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Well, since I'm not quite ready to give up on the good stuff (and I am suff a kind soul :D ) I would be more then happy to care of your un-wanted rifles! (I'll even pay for shipping)


I think zZ_denis just got a little excited over one good group... It's too bad we can't get these shooters interested in ISSF match, Canada would be kicking some serious but at the olympic!
 
Hey Look, som carfull editing and you answer your own question!

zZ_denis said:
...1" 100m groups "on command"! (3-5 shots) [x2],
...obviously...consistantly. [Others], brand new out of the box...as accurate as mine after 1500+rds. Im...sure why... It could be that [they] ...popped out a rifle with tolerances... [that are] spec....
I dont think i ever had a single malfunction with [any ammo], something that i...say about [all] ammo.
I'll have to try the rifle with match ammo and see what kind of groups i get.
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As for me, I have no need for a match grade rifle. I do need a new one however (lol don't we all) and it will probably be either an Mark II FV w/ A.T. or the Win Wildcat Varm/Targ. Both "on command" shoot Sub inch @ 50 for less than 300 dollars, adjustable trigers, etc.
 
Achieving sub-moa groups at 100 meters with a 22 rimfire is not easy, even with the best of equipment. Consistent sub-moa groups are even tougher. However, a top-quality 22 with good match ammo and excellent wind/light conditions can be impressive. I will post a couple of my best groups at 100 and 200 with my 541T Remington. (yes, that 200 yd group is under 2"!) This rifle has been "tweaked" considerably, but still wears the factory tube with the match chamber. Regards, Eagleye
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Bought a 541S (actually 2 of them) a while ago. Took one out to a short personal range and shot a few groups, mostly to see what potential was there. Here is what happened at 40 Meters. Match quality rfles DO make a difference!! Regards Eagleye
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