Canada Ready Big Bore Rifle Build

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^strange diversion

The US military is apparently interested enough in something along the lines of this thread for it to be illegal to import .45 raptor components and brass...


Ardent did the Zastava (all personal recoil tolerance aside) kick like a mule?

I personally don't have a sharp recollection of its recoil, so I'd have to say it's just fine, the thought never crossed my mind frankly that I can recall. I was more focused on the slight grittiness of it and reflecting on how much it reminded me of Yugo surplus rifles, right down to that particular black colour of bluing. For the price I'd recommend it, the owner of the one I used had restocked it in a synthetic that I couldn't tell you where it was from, and had changed the iron sights. It was a working professional hunter's rifle for what that's worth, some manner of endorsement there. It was nice and light, .458 isn't a mean kicker to a practiced shoulder, it's really quite a pussycat. Makes .30-06 feel recoiless of course as any "real" gun will, even a hot loaded .45-70 guide gun, but it all absolutely will not cause the shooter physical harm.

I think that's a threshold that needs some explanation, many of us including myself will talk about how larger rifles are totally manageable, or surprising in how reasonable they are, etc etc. ALL of them .375 H&H and up kick and are not comfortable for many people, many .416 and up will leave you with marks on your shoulder the next day, and NONE of them will actually hurt you- even .505 Gibbs. I had an unbraked, lightweight .450 Rigby (.460 Weatherby without a belt realistically) with a 21" barrel that barked and bit, that's the hardest kicker I've owned, equal to a few 150gr .300 mag loads fired at once. Fast, heavy, and sharp- it had it all recoil wise. I didn't mind it, but didn't like it either. That's how most fresh to a .458 will feel, you won't mind, but you're not going to seek out the sensation either. Then you shoot it enough and forget, as you realise even if not a pleasant sensation it really can't actually hurt you, from there you can shoot anything you want to shoulder.
 
I have shot a .416 remington before. It was quite heavy in recoil but nothing I couldn't handle. I have been regularly shooting 250 grain 2700 fps loads from my 6.5 pound .338 for the last few weeks, my only real complaint is that it almost broke my finger when I held it too high and it contacted the bolt (used to shooting lever actions I guess). I see in your stopping rifle vid, that despite the recoil of the .505 Gibbs it never comes close to touching your trigger finger. Guessing it has to do with 1) technique, 2) bolt constructon and 3) hand size.

As someone who started as a "hunter" and not shooter in a shotgun only zone I have always found it kind of funny when people suggest the 30-06 is a heavy kicker, I remember a customer at the gun store who was insistent that a 30-06 BLR could not be used for a comfortable range session because of its insane and furious kick.

And how did this thread diverge into poodle shooters and how you reload them? Demand for a smaller .458 is, once again, evidenced by the variety of wildcats and other cartridges that try to fill the role.
 
You're going to like the .458 a good deal then and find it pretty soft, it's just not fast enough or burning enough powder to sting. That comment applies for a fellow like yourself accustomed to recoil, a lifelong .30-06 shooter will find it startling the first couple times, then you've got a decision to make if it's something you want to do. You've already made that call. :)
 
I have had a 458 for longer than I dare admit as well as a 404 Jeffery and a 416 Taylor with the 458 being the most used of the three.
Any bullet either cast and/or jacketed that a 45-70 uses can be loaded in the 458, to me that makes it a bit more versatile than the other two.
Recoil with these big guys is something that one has to get accustomed to by shooting, start out with lighter bullets and work your way up.
I can shoot my 458 all day with 350 or 405 gr loads, but not so with 500 or 600 gr. loads.
As a matter of fact it was a load with a 600 gr. Barnes Original that fractured my collarbone when I snapped the rifle to my shoulder and fired without properly placing the butt in a scary situation.
That had never deterred me from playing with the 458 and I still have plenty of fun with it, probably because of my bullet stash for it and my other .458 bore rifles means I never need to visit a gun shop to feed them..
With respect to the recoil factor a 458 owner has to give it a chance, I have owned two other 458s that the owners simply gave up on them without trying to work with them.
One in particular was a beautiful 700 Custom Shop rifle sold to with 35 rds of ammo, the owner fired 5 rds through it and sold it.
I bought it and swapped it about 12 yrs ago to a chap that still has and loves it..
 
600 grains and broken collarbones, now we are talking!

Seriously though, that is quite a scary incident. I had heard of someone breaking their finger with the bolt of a .458 on another sight and had a guy tell me that he damaged his shoulder permanently hotrodding a .378 weatherby.

I think the 405's and I will be friends.
 
A light 416 rem when I was younger scared me away from the big stuff, took years to overcome that. It takes a mindset to step up with some rifles, and practice, lots of it. I still want a 458, preferably in a Winny.....
 
600 grains and broken collarbones, now we are talking!

Seriously though, that is quite a scary incident. I had heard of someone breaking their finger with the bolt of a .458 on another sight and had a guy tell me that he damaged his shoulder permanently hotrodding a .378 weatherby.

I think the 405's and I will be friends.

The collarbone was 100% my fault, I threw the rifle to my shoulder in a split second, never gave myself time to put the butt in the proper place and fired, it was that quick and that simple.
Since then I have used a lot of full power loads without issue and enjoy it..
 
Conor90...I nevergot the hang of posting pics but I will send some when I get home in a couple days. You're welcome to put them up if you like....send me a pm with your email, thanks.
 
Here is a picture of D-man's 416x2 Remington 660:

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Looks like a real cannon! And a very nice build, I have also uploaded a picture of the blind magazine conversion on the rifle if anyone is interested I can post it.

Missing my fav part though, the vent rib! (Yes I'm weird)
 
The reference to a .458 American twigged my interest in this thread, I too thought that would be an ideal big bore for close-range brush hunting, short action, short barrel etc. However, I had an idea that using the same philosophy with a slightly smaller diameter bore size might make the completed project a little more versatile. Into the Wildcat Cartridges of the World book I went, and found a reference to a .416x2", also known as the 10.6x51. Long story short, I now have a .416x2" built on a Remington M660 action, with a heavy sporter Montana Rifleworks barrel. 300gr. Barnes at 2250fps, 400gr Hornady's at 1800. As with any wildcat, there is a bit of bother making cases but the supply of magnum cases to make them is endless and I had CH4D make me a set of dies for a reasonable price. Just another option of many to consider....

That is a nice stock, can you tell us who made it ?
 
How about a 404 Jeffery? This is a cheap and dirty build... Rem 700 300 Rum action and B&C Alaskan Stock... Shoots unreal. And weighs 8lbs! Recoil is heavy but manageable...

 
Kevan, the stock is actually the original with a significant amount of re-shaping. It now has a blind magazine and an ADL trigger guard, and the stock was painted. It looks and fits much better now, I wish all the original 600/660 stocks were shaped like that. Mitch Kendall in Kamloops BC did the metal finishing and the stock work.
 
D-man was kind enough to take a picture of the cartridge alongside some others for comparisons sake:

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From left to right:

416 Chatfield-Taylor
416x2 loaded with a 300 grain barnes bullet
416x2 loaded with a 400 grain hornady
30-06 for comparison's sake
 
Kevan, the stock is actually the original with a significant amount of re-shaping. It now has a blind magazine and an ADL trigger guard, and the stock was painted. It looks and fits much better now, I wish all the original 600/660 stocks were shaped like that. Mitch Kendall in Kamloops BC did the metal finishing and the stock work.

Thanks for the info D-Man, Mitch does nice work.
The reason I asked is because I have a 600 in 6.5 RM that I'm scratching my head over what to do with it..
 
Kevan, you know how rare the 600 is in 6.5, if it was mine it would be hard for me to tear it apart and re-barrel, but at the same time finding a donor magnum short-action is also difficult. My 660 was a .308 and I had the bolt face opened up and a Sako extractor installed. Opinions on doing that are varied but it has worked fine for me.
 
If you want a fun build try a 404 Jeffery. Any RUM action or 375H&H action (if using 375H&H, feed ramp may need to be modified, and a couple of extractor cuts added) can be used. Add a custom barrel. Use Win M70, or RUM stock open up the barrel channel and away you go.
 
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