Canadian Armed Forces looking to retire BHP by 2026

[Challenger2010]

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...ra-pistols-but-it-could-take-another-10-years

 

[RSK]

It should have read Hi powers

 

[CAD]

ha,
Had me questioning myself. I don't ever remember seeing any 1911's. But then again I don't use a firearm as a primary job.

 

[Juster]

BHPs and 1911s and 1191s and Sigs are just the same gun, except made in China. No wonder they want to get rid of them!

 

[enefgee]

So, given the track record of the fine folks in CF Procurement, they'll be ordering last year's pistol in 40 years, and they'll be paying 5 times the price.

 

[Sinasta]

The last pistol procurement was a joke. They wanted the winning company to hand over the blueprints to Colt Canada to make. Yeah a competitor handing over their designs to another company for a measly 10,000 pistols and parts.

Also none of the requirements they set out met any pistol that was available.

 

[TT1900]

So, given the track record of the fine folks in CF Procurement, they'll be ordering last year's pistol in 40 years, and they'll be paying 5 times the price.

I'm sure if you just set the budget and left it to the CF it would be completed inside of 18 months. Let PWGSC, Treasury Board, and all the politicians trying to pull economic benefits into the fray and things go stupid.

 

[Gundoggy]

Buy a bunch of inexpensive Glock 19's and call it a day.

 

[colt45cz75]

I was never in the forces, but I can't understand why they have to reinvent the wheel every time they need a new piece of gear.

 

[anoxia]

Don't forget that the procurement tender will likely state that whomever wins the award will have to have them made by Colt Canada just like the new ranger rifles. How many companies will this deter?

 

[StoneHorse]

So, given the track record of the fine folks in CF Procurement, they'll be ordering last year's pistol in 40 years, and they'll be paying 5 times the price.

That would be funny if it wasn't true. "Net economic benefit to Canadian workers" is why we will end up paying $2500 US for a $500 pistol. They could buy off the shelve in 30 days or less but no.............

 

[tinbird]

Have all the respect in the world for our people who are in the front lines in DND, but their procurement people sound like the ones I heard about from a corporal I knew in the RCMP. He said that someone involved with uniform design and deportment, at the time, seriously wanted to order and issue yellow socks for all members to wear in 1973. I guess when the troops heard about it and voiced their opinion, basically the detachment commanders relayed the message that no one was likely to wear them.

 

[DT741]

Lol new pistols in 2026... What a joke this procurement system is !!! Reinventing the wheel everyday

 

[Dsiwy]

The last pistol procurement was a joke. They wanted the winning company to hand over the blueprints to Colt Canada to make. Yeah a competitor handing over their designs to another company for a measly 10,000 pistols and parts.

Also none of the requirements they set out met any pistol that was available.

^What he said

 

[maple_leaf_eh]

Buy a bunch of inexpensive Glock 19's and call it a day.

The latest British military handgun is a new Glock. They worked through a couple models of Browning before retiring theirs.

 

[SSG69]

Don't forget that the procurement tender will likely state that whomever wins the award will have to have them made by Colt Canada just like the new ranger rifles. How many companies will this deter?

This is sad, but true.

Also, the fat cat civis that work in the project office will delay the project as long as possible IOT have a steady pay cheque. The second they enter into definition phase and award a contract, the gravy train runs out for the civis working on the project and they have to go out and find another job.

Trust me, I know. I worked there.

 

[highlander]

I was never in the forces, but I can't understand why they have to reinvent the wheel every time they need a new piece of gear.

Basically, the government wants to ensure that, despite whoever gets the contract, the work has to be done or supplied by a Quebec company (preferably Bombardier) and at a higher price than can even be had anywhere; that as many Liberal districts as possible get a piece of the action; that the item is entirely different from anything the US has (just to show that were different); and to keep as many bureaucrats as possible gainfully employed for as long as possible.

it's the Lieberal way of doing business, despite whatever party is in power.

 

[Hoag]

I was never in the forces, but I can't understand why they have to reinvent the wheel every time they need a new piece of gear.

One of my best friends was in the procurement side of things for the RCAF before he retired. He was constantly frustrated by the bureaucracy that seemed to be designed to complicate things even when the choice of what to acquire is obvious to the person who will ultimately be using it.

It is not the military that complicates the process, it is the system that they are forced to work within.

 

[pringles613]

sounds like glock will be making lowers and replacement parts, while colt Canada makes slides and barrels... just like the tikka/sako making the bolts, and colt Canada making everything else... i can only see the timeline being to stretch out colt Canada's work. They're busy making tikka's till about that time.

 

[enefgee]

Don't forget that the procurement tender will likely state that whomever wins the award will have to have them made by Colt Canada just like the new ranger rifles. How many companies will this deter?

All of them, if last time is anything to go by. Seriously, we could order 40,000 Glocks for a third of the money and have them in service by year's end, with something like 20,000 complete spare pistols, all support training could be handled by the existing training network and key support trained inside a year. It's pathetic.