Then how come, if I live in an "open carry" state, am I not allowed the same exemption? I can see 100X more people carrying open, who would get more benefit then this exemption for specific LEO's.
Sorry, but the the logic does not add up..
Canadian Army requests rule exemption for members shooting IDPA
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Then how come, if I live in an "open carry" state, am I not allowed the same exemption? I can see 100X more people carrying open, who would get more benefit then this exemption for specific LEO's.
Sorry, but the the logic does not add up..
bclinehand
CGN frequent flyer
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- Clearwater B.C.
If you want to compete "open " carry and not "concealed " you have the option of joining a police force and wearing your duty rig or you could always shoot IPSC as their rules do not require the use of a cover garment wheras IDPA does for shooters who are not LEO
Nope. They will compete along side everyone in the same divisions. They would not want it any other way. There is, at Club & Sanctioned Matches, a 12 cent certificate for High Military. It's ok Stormbringer there is also one for High Senior and High Super Senior. Last year 81 year old Roy Van Riper from Washington State took High Super Senior - suspect he has a number of 12 cent certificates.
A youngster of 63 took HIgh Senior.Take Care
Bob
that's not the point.. the point is the argument of allowing LEO's to open carry based on their "job" should have equal weight to considering the general population which live in open carry states and have the same conditions apply as well. (and probably have more shooters in open carry states, then LEOs)
using your logic, then the LEO's should just pretend they are like the rest of us, and not have an exemption..
Trying to say "go to IPSC" is just a attempt to back your argument with useless irrelevant comments.. IPSC has nothing to do with this.. if you want to win an argument, then learn how to argue facts. if you can't then go shoot PPC
I have highlited my rsponses for ease of reading. I am not yelling per internet protocol.
your not yelling, but your not proving a point either.. the fact still remains that your logic allows you to apply a rule (which gives and advantage) to a specific group of people. You don't apply it evenly to everyone, and your claim that it "may save their lives" implies that it does not for other (who it WOULD in an open carry state).
The fact that I don't live there is irrelevant to pointing out that the rules are not applied evenly..
Well then maybe they should shoot in their own div.
I mean if the divisions are set as to what gear is being used and it seems to be the "gear" that some people take issue with then... segregate them based on the specialty gear they wanna use...
It would be fairer to them anyway as from what I've seen mil. thigh rigs are probably the slowest rigs out there...
and if you wanna carry 25 kilos of extra gear around all day in the hot sun while I shoot against you in my coolmax blouse and sneakers... 'Have at 'er buddy...
Steve David
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Oshawa, Ontario
This is not a "distinction", it is an excemption.
Because that is what they use, and that is what they asked us for, I think it is a small gesture we can accomodate considering what they do for us. Is it really that big of an issue?
Some of the posts in this thread sound just like those who ##### and ##### and ##### about the Government, but do not go out and vote, but do not go out and vote come election time.
we have a similar exemption in IPSC I believe, but it still doesn't allow Police or Military members to shoot in Production div if their gear is forward of their hip bone. I support the above excemption. it's common sense.
bclinehand
CGN frequent flyer
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- Clearwater B.C.
Not sure how having to use your duty rig WITH all acoutrements.ie; baton, taser, cuffs etc is an advantage same goes for having to compete with a thigh rig AND Helmet ,Vest etc....
I'm not sure you have read the origional post as this is an exemption for CANADIAN service personel and as we do not have open carryin Canada your point is moot
You either have not shot IDPA with LEO's or witnessed fellows shooting with their Combat gear or on drugs which is it?
If you think this gives an advantage to any of the groups mentioned you clearly have no idea of what you speak. Both the rules for LEO's and this exemption do not convey any advantage to the folks involved. You ever do a reload with retention or a tac reload when your extra mags are in a vest with a snap pocket? Drawn from a leg holster with all retentions in place. Had to deal with a holster with tripple retention devices. If you are of the opinion this conveys an advantage then you truly haven't.
Lastly do you think any of us who actually shoot IDPA care? We shoot for 12 cent certificates and bragging rights that last about as long as the first beer after a match. I have folks driving 20 + hours to compete for a 12 cent certificate and a chance to meet folks they have never shot with before.
We are pleased the Armed Forces see value in our sport. The exemption stands. If you don't like it or don't agree with it...too bad.
Take Care
Bob
And what?? no one from the US would EVERY come to Canada right?? no one living in the US would ever find themselves up in Canada and want to shoot a match right??? The point still applies..
It's obvious that you don't care to apply rules evenly. That much is very obvious..
Now I remember why I don't shoot IDPA anymore.. Thanks for reminding me..
stormbringer
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- S.W. Ontario
That my friend is called a straw man.
Is that the best you can do to attempt to discuss this.
Steve David
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Oshawa, Ontario
Exactly how is this an advantage? Do you think it is faster to draw from a thigh holster or a triple retention duty holster?
stormbringer
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- S.W. Ontario
Then why has there not been a single solitary LOGICAL explaination as to thie exemption.
Ah could it be there there isnt one?
stormbringer
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- S.W. Ontario
Are they going to shoot in their own division or against the peons?
If it is their own division your logic is flawed.
If it is the same then it stands.
However it does limit the choice of those who are disallowed. Which of course is the crux of my argument.
the common sense is in allowing service personnel to use their issued kit, as issued, and compete with other competitors in the proper division according to the gun used. If a civilian wishes to use the same gear, it's easy, join the service. If a service member wishes to up his/her game, and be more competitive than their issued gear allows, they would then likely use civy gear as approved by the rules.
as I said, this is common sense to me, and should be applied to IPSC exactly the same.
for most of us, we are shooting this as a game, for them, it's training that may help in real life. allowing the exemption just makes sense. Arguing against it, just for the sake of arguing, is pointless. which is exactly what I read into the arguments against it.
as I said, this is common sense to me, and should be applied to IPSC exactly the same.
for most of us, we are shooting this as a game, for them, it's training that may help in real life. allowing the exemption just makes sense. Arguing against it, just for the sake of arguing, is pointless. which is exactly what I read into the arguments against it.
Steve David
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Oshawa, Ontario
What is not clear Storm? We made an exemption to help those people who are over seas fighting for us, to give them additional practice that they clearly do not get on the job. My logic is not at all flawed nor is the exemption, it is right thing to do. Would you deny them this request?
