Storm it's simple. IDPA is basically trying to represent real life. since in real life servicemen would use these kinds of rigs, and civilians wouldn't, they get to use them in the same division/class as civys using CCW gear. it makes perfect sense, is logical, and is appropriate. why you can't see see this I really don't understand.
Canadian Army requests rule exemption for members shooting IDPA
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Stormy,
You know - despite the objections from one person (you), most people are quite content and in fact supportive of the exemption. Now maybe we're all wrong, and you are the lone prophet in the wilderness yelling "Repent" who will be proved right when we are all consumed by locusts...but I doubt it.
So - I get it. Stormy doesn't like ANY exemptions.
But where were your vociferous posts about the police exemption? Why weren't you on Gunnutz just reaming IDPA for allowing coppers to wear duty rigs? Were you blasting Canuck44 about that issue for the past few years?
Because if you weren't, I'd suggest that your credibility on this issue is reduced...
Now we can play the semantic game, or the "I disagree-Well I disagree too" game until hell freezes over. Absoutely not value added.
Why not find some other topic and move on?
You know - despite the objections from one person (you), most people are quite content and in fact supportive of the exemption. Now maybe we're all wrong, and you are the lone prophet in the wilderness yelling "Repent" who will be proved right when we are all consumed by locusts...but I doubt it.
So - I get it. Stormy doesn't like ANY exemptions.
But where were your vociferous posts about the police exemption? Why weren't you on Gunnutz just reaming IDPA for allowing coppers to wear duty rigs? Were you blasting Canuck44 about that issue for the past few years?
Because if you weren't, I'd suggest that your credibility on this issue is reduced...
Now we can play the semantic game, or the "I disagree-Well I disagree too" game until hell freezes over. Absoutely not value added.
Why not find some other topic and move on?
"In my mind there are nothing but artificial reasons why this course of action was taken by the owners of IDPA."
One of the primary premises of Bill Wilson when he started IDPA ws to create a lwo cost pistol sport. By allowing LEOs to compete with their duty gear it allowed them to shoot with their issued gear without having to invest in new equipment. That ws the primary reason for the original exemption. Nothing artificial about it. The original premise forms the basis for our equipment rules to this day. How sucessful this has been falls to the ego of our shooters. I have to say most of the guns I see at our matches are pretty plain Jane.
Take Care
Bob
One of the primary premises of Bill Wilson when he started IDPA ws to create a lwo cost pistol sport. By allowing LEOs to compete with their duty gear it allowed them to shoot with their issued gear without having to invest in new equipment. That ws the primary reason for the original exemption. Nothing artificial about it. The original premise forms the basis for our equipment rules to this day. How sucessful this has been falls to the ego of our shooters. I have to say most of the guns I see at our matches are pretty plain Jane.
Take Care
Bob
stormbringer
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Funny thing is this question that has been answered seveal times.....
Has never been asked!!
Funny that.
Oh I concur whole heartily!
Instead try answering the ONE question I have asked.
Please point out where it was answered......I might have missed it.
stormbringer
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Actually that is not a bad attempt Slavex.....
But falls short of the mark. It would make total sense to restrict (disallow) civilians from participating in actual military training. But IDPA is clearly not that.
IDPA is a game......nothing but. As has been pointed out above (somewhere) we do not have the benefit of CCW in Canadsa so any Real life senario for us poor downtrodden Canadians would not involve CCW at all.
Can you see every senario invovling you running to a safe, unlocking it retrieving your gun and ammo then proceeding to the targets? Seems a tad limiting to me.
stormbringer
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Ummm
Why did you quote me for this reply when it has nothing to do with my question or point?
What part of I am in total favour of a rule change that encourages LEO/Military types to participate is not clear to you?
stormbringer
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Reading a new concept to you?
Once again..........I have zero problem with a rule change that allows LEO/Military to participate. I do have an issue with only them being able to use said exemption.
No I detest elitism.............that is it in a nutshell.
Ummm I was not aware of it.........if you give me a time machine I will be happy to go back and express my displeasure at that time.
Please show me where I have blasted anyone let alone Canuck44 on anything in this thread? Canuck44 has been quite gentlemanly about this debate and I have nothing but respect for him. Of course I would be ever so happy if he were to actually answer my single solitary salinet question. But such is life
Your lack of ability to read and comprehend my posts has acomplished that for youquite well.
Which is why I have only requested one answer to one question. It is not my fault that none of the protagonists appear prepared to answer it.
Now there you might have a point.
Storm: You wrote it, I replied.
Thanks to all the IDPA shooters who have replied in such a positive manner to this exemption. To the Armed Forces personnel reading this, please come out and join our groups. We all are looking forward to seeing you folks at our events. I know I can speak for our Match Director for our BC Provincials that spots will be held open for you up to and including the day of the match should you find youself in a position to attend the shoot on the 18th.
Take Care
Bob
Thanks to all the IDPA shooters who have replied in such a positive manner to this exemption. To the Armed Forces personnel reading this, please come out and join our groups. We all are looking forward to seeing you folks at our events. I know I can speak for our Match Director for our BC Provincials that spots will be held open for you up to and including the day of the match should you find youself in a position to attend the shoot on the 18th.
Take Care
Bob
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So why cant civilian shooters wear a thigh rig at these shoots? Just wondering what the origional issue or reason for the rule was?
Just not part of our sport. Leg holsters, cross draw and shoulder holsters are not allowed, Nor are dropped and offset holsters. You can download the rule book from here:
www.idpa.com
Just go to the equipment rules section.
Take care
Bob
www.idpa.com
Just go to the equipment rules section.
Take care
Bob
Steve David
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Exactly what part of "an exemption was made for Military and Specialized LE to allow the use of their duty gear ie. a thigh holster", do you not understand, this exemption is only for them. This exemption does not apply in the US, this rule does not apply to regular shooters here, it is only for them. All current IDPA shooters will continue to follow regular IDPA rules but now enjoy the company of our fine men and women of the Military and LE who if they so choose to, will be able to compete and practice and hopefully enhance their skills with a handgun while useing the gear that they would use every day, just like regular IDPA shooters would do with the gear they would use every day while carrying concealed.
stormbringer
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best answer so far, end of story, lock the thread
Let me say up front I'm not a member if IDPA, though I admit my interest is piqued. And I think I understand and agree with LEO's and Mil using their issue gear, as it's what they regularly shoot with. Though if this is a competition, I can see where such rigs would have a distinct advantage in draw speed.
As an "outsider" to the sport I'd like to ask a question, if it wouldn't be toof ar off topic:
If it's about (primarily) civilains using CCW gear available to them, why are cross draw and shoulder holsters not allowed?
Both are legitimate CCW options for a civilian (as well as LEO and Mil for that matter in the right circumstance).
I'll have to look further into this sport.
As an "outsider" to the sport I'd like to ask a question, if it wouldn't be toof ar off topic:
If it's about (primarily) civilains using CCW gear available to them, why are cross draw and shoulder holsters not allowed?
Both are legitimate CCW options for a civilian (as well as LEO and Mil for that matter in the right circumstance).
I'll have to look further into this sport.
Let me say up front I'm not a member if IDPA, though I admit my interest is piqued. And I think I understand and agree with LEO's and Mil using their issue gear, as it's what they regularly shoot with. Though if this is a competition, I can see where such rigs would have a distinct advantage in draw speed.
As an "outsider" to the sport I'd like to ask a question, if it wouldn't be toof ar off topic:
If it's about (primarily) civilains using CCW gear available to them, why are cross draw and shoulder holsters not allowed?
Both are legitimate CCW options for a civilian (as well as LEO and Mil for that matter in the right circumstance).
I'll have to look further into this sport.
Gunny the issue gear both LEO and Armed Forces is considerably slower to draw from. While civilians can use open mag holders LEO gear and CF gear are enclosed and are not near as fast to draw fresh mags from. Their gear gives them no advantage and in fact would be considered a disadvantage by most shooters.
As to cross draw and shoulder holsters it is simply a matter of range safety. This is where the sport conflicts with the street. Drop down and off set holsters are excluded due to the fact they are holster types designed for open carry not concealed and thus are excluded.
I hope this answers your question and hope you do come out and try IDPA. Great fun and at the end of the day you may win a 12 certificate.
Take Care
Bob
there is your answer. what else do you have to say on the matter?
stormbringer
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Actually if you look above you will see my reply to Slavex and see where I pointed out that while not a bad attempt is in reality not a very satisfactory answer and actually causes more problems if you carry on with that logic.
turiaq, the LFWA commander is a big supporter of shooting sports. it is about time we got back to basics like marksmanship and shooting. Did you know that until recently the CF as a whole did not support shooting sports? Only recently have the gotten on board with supporting shooting outside the military. I can't remember the CANFORGEN but the jist of it was that the CF would now support it's members that shoot outside of the military. It is also nice to see Associations like IDPA recognizing this and allowing us to shoot with full gear on. Like I said in an earlier post it is part of Op Connection to get the troops out in uniform doing day to day stuff to show civvies that we are people too.
