That is a pretty bold statement. Care to back up your claim with some facts?
Canadian made custom action decision
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That is a pretty bold statement. Care to back up your claim with some facts?
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- calgary alberta
We only sell our actions as part of an in-house complete build. The reason for this has been on the few we did sell as just actions got a case of the bubba after the action left our shop. This strangely has not happened with complete builds.
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- calgary alberta
Congratulations!! Short of trudope's famous "the budget will balance itself" statement, your statement is just short of his on the idiotic statement scale, but not by much.
I don't think making unprofessional comments with personal insults is a good way to make a counter argument and win over potential customers.
Personally, I would have a hard time supporting a company that insults their consumer base. My money would be going elsewhere if I saw a company act like that.
However, I would be much more willing and compelled to spend money with a company that educated potential consumers about their product line, spending time to cover the many details that separates their products out from others. Some companies in the US are very good for doing that, and they are very successful as a result. LRI and American Rifle Company are two that immediately come to mind.
That's unfortunate news as the Maverick would be a solid choice for my needs.
It's a deal breaker though as I would want to do my own stock work and would need the barreled action to make that happen.
thanx for dropping in to clarify though
- Location
- calgary alberta
That's unfortunate news as the Maverick would be a solid choice for my needs.
It's a deal breaker though as I would want to do my own stock work and would need the barreled action to make that happen.
thanx for dropping in to clarify though
Doing the stock work would not be a problem. For us to provide the barrelled action in a complete form is all we want, that way we know the machine work and assembly is done correctly and then there is no questions should a problem ever arise. Also then the barrelled action is test fired as per our insurance carriers requirements.
I do appreciate you making it very clear of your unprofessional attitude towards potential customers. I was simply making a statement not to overlook USA made actions since the majority of the top action manufacturers in competitions are American Made. I feel this community should make a point to support other shooters in making the best informed decision, considering the large amount of money that goes into this hobby rather than just pushing a certain product. If someone brought you a USA made action to do a build on, would you bad mouth them for choosing that action as opposed to your own?
Simply stating that if you look at a competition in any country, the firing line is dominated by American Made actions. Then you have companies like Impact, Defiance, Zermatt, and others that machine actions to such tight tolerances that each one that comes off the line is virtually identical to the next. Therefore no need to send to a gunsmith to be measured for a new barrel, each one will headspace the same. I’ve had actions that I have to send the action to the smith in order to spin up a new barrel, which is rather annoying when it can take months to get it back.
Again, I’m not trying to crap on Canadian Manufacturers. I know some of them personally and they make a fantastic product. I was just trying to help OP make an informed decision and have all the options in front of them. Maybe my wording was a little strong in my original post.
U R a funny guy
the firing line is dominated by American actions because they are available
Back in 2005 kelbly travelled to Europe for the world br championships, I was eating lunch next to Jim kelbly as he made a deal for 500 actions for Europe, Canadian actions were not considered of course as they never travelled abroad
as for tolerances action companies like bat have been making actions with CNBC so that anyone can fit a barrel without having the action present for over 15 years, and Canadian companies have followed suit like the maverick
careful with trying to invent facts my friend
and to say your wording was a little strong is
A LITTLE UNDERSTATEMENT
have a nice day
the firing line is dominated by American actions because they are available
Back in 2005 kelbly travelled to Europe for the world br championships, I was eating lunch next to Jim kelbly as he made a deal for 500 actions for Europe, Canadian actions were not considered of course as they never travelled abroad
as for tolerances action companies like bat have been making actions with CNBC so that anyone can fit a barrel without having the action present for over 15 years, and Canadian companies have followed suit like the maverick
careful with trying to invent facts my friend
and to say your wording was a little strong is
A LITTLE UNDERSTATEMENT
have a nice day
Your arguments make no sense. What does the kelbly story have to do with anything? From what I've seen, Canadian made actions are quite popular over seas as they are easier to get compared to stuff coming out of the US. There are alot of nice Canadian made actions, without a doubt, but to not consider all your options in a specific price point regardless of country of origin would be doing yourself a disservice.
I think the point being made is that the US has a very competitive market when it comes to precision rifle actions. Due to all of the competition, the market doesn't suffer inferior products. There has to be continual innovation and improvements in that market in order to survive and thrive. By contrast, Canada's market is much less competitive and a bit stale.
Besides being "home grown", what do the few actions being made in Canada offer in comparison to their much better known US counterparts? Are the tolerances being held tight enough in the tennon to accept shouldered barrel prefits? What features are being offered, that make them a compelling offering? What ingenuity is being brought to the market, that shouldn't be overlooked? What do they do better then other actions?
These are genuine questions that I believe some are asking. Not criticisms. US actions are a well known quantity - but Canadian actions seem to generally fly under the radar. Reviews for Canadian actions are few and far between, and there's no marketing to explain the virtues of Canadian made actions, outside of CADEX.
I'm not saying that Canadian made actions aren't good. CADEX and PGW obviously make good products (I wish PGW chased after the PRS/custom precision rifle market a lot more then they did), but I think there's a huge opportunity for Canadian made action manufacturers to tell their story and sell their products.
KS Arms have a nice website. I would be curious to try one for myself one day.
Do they make their own actions in house?
I would say their top of the line rifles like the Guardian are in the same ball park as AI, Desert Tech and the Sako TRG line. I’ve owned a Sako TRG-22, a couple Desert Tech SRS-A1’s and an Accuracy International AX. I haven’t owned or shot a Cadex but I’ve handled a couple Guardian Tac-30 rifles and they seem very well built.
Which one is the “best” is really dependent on which features you find most important/ useful.
I loved how slick the TRG action was and it had the best trigger I’ve ever used, but I hated that mags cost $300 a piece and wasn’t a fan of the 2 piece stock design. The Desert Tech rifles are crazy compact and not many rifles can run anything from 223 to 338 Lapua in the same rifle. But after being spoiled with the adjustability of the TRG, I couldn’t get comfortable behind the SRS.
The Accuracy International AX is the definition of “over built” in every aspect. You have to try one to truly appreciate it. It’s my favourite rifle by a long shot. I’m tempted to try a Cadex one day though.
Comparable to any other high end factory precision rifle. Just depends on what features you are looking for.
Though my understanding is that the AI's quick change barrel system is more user friendly then Cadex's.
