Canadian Made Swiss Arms AR Lower
- Thread starter NeitArms
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Rats. AR buttstock. I'm sure most people just wanted the magwell to be the only change. Heck, I'm sure most people would just prefer a handgun that ran on SA mags.
Why must so many firearms be tainted with AR accessories like the grips and the stocks? I know it allows people to mount whatever style of parts they like best, but it also gives the impression that the designer just gave up on those parts and figured "let's let the end-user figure this out" instead of providing a complete solution.
Why must so many firearms be tainted with AR accessories like the grips and the stocks? I know it allows people to mount whatever style of parts they like best, but it also gives the impression that the designer just gave up on those parts and figured "let's let the end-user figure this out" instead of providing a complete solution.
No really, thanks for coming out. May you would like to drop by my house and piss in my cereal, punch my dog or push my aging father down a flight of stairs???????
The reason for making platforms work with AR accessories was quite obvious.......... or so i thought. It has the largest pool of developed and affordable accessories.
Your welcome to tool up and run a batch of your own lowers to prove me wrong.
winnipegger
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I agree with this "Mostly" Although i completely appreciate what you guys are doing for our undersupported little market. I dont think i would purchase this lower on account of the AR15 stock.
I think this was unneccesary.
Another lost in translation post, It was sarcasm. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Im sure there are purists out there who will hold similar beliefs, every platform has them. With that said, i think he is completely wrong. Why would someone go out and develop a line of parts for a gun that at best has a sales rate for the civilian market of a couple thousand a year world wide?????????? from a business perspective it makes no sense.
Neit, NEA,
Congratulations. This is great idea. I really hope this product is successful.
Have you considered going all the way, manufacturing an upper, and offering complete rifle? (or is that just nuts?)
Can small Canadian manufacturers compete with Swiss?
-KFB
Congratulations. This is great idea. I really hope this product is successful.
Have you considered going all the way, manufacturing an upper, and offering complete rifle? (or is that just nuts?)
Can small Canadian manufacturers compete with Swiss?
-KFB
BigUglyMan
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I would have gone with an enhanced trigger guard, but other than that small quibble the lower looks great. Looking forward to seeing them in real life.
+3, Never heard of anyone saying, "I wish this trigger guard was smaller"......
Will other dealers carry it?
Sorry if I missed it, where does one source 'uppers'?
An enhanced trigger guard has already been discussed. I believe that it'll be slimmed laterally and flared slightly. I'd like to be able to get a gloved finger in there.
.. As for the trash comments... x2 what NEA said' don't like it, please step up and make one yourself.
..no good deed goes unpunished.
.. As for the trash comments... x2 what NEA said' don't like it, please step up and make one yourself.
..no good deed goes unpunished.
BigUglyMan
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Exactly. Lots of 'yotes to shoot in the winter so this would be nice. I don't want to freeze my fingers.
No, I am not going to piss in your cereal, punch your dog, or push your ageing father down a flight of stairs because that would be pointless. It is juvenile and excessive of you to equate such things to my constructive criticism.
The SA has a folding stock. People who don't like that can keep the stock unfolded. The stock is also available in an adjustable model, so any accusations that the stock does not adjust are misplaced. What people want is the ability to use AR mags, because they are cheap and plentiful, and hey, if you have a SA, and an AR, and an XCR, and SL8, it would be nice if they all ran the same mags so you wouldn't have to have many different ones. Yes, the AR mags are possibly not as reliable as the G36 or the SA mags, but the AR and the XCR already run with them, and the SL8 has an easily exchangeable magwell for which AR magwells have been available for years. So making the SA accept AR mags is just the next step of standardising .223/5.56 caliber firearms to run the same mags.
The argument for the AR stock that is has "the largest pool of developed and affordable accessories" is bullocks because people who will purchase these lowers will already have the SA butt-stock from the SA. They probably don't want to shell out for an AR stock when they already have something that works just as well. Changing the SA grip to take AR grips would be fine, as there are many of them, and they all offer same function, but removing the folding mechanism is a step backwards.
As quite a few people pointed out, they would rather keep the folding stock, but they want to run AR mags.
It is understandable that you would choose to go with AR butt-stocks, because it is alot easier to drill a large hole or two and tap it instead of milling the hinges and the locking mechanism. That will come in the second version, yes? After everyone has purchased this version crippled by the need to obtain AR parts to get it to work, they can purchase the second version again! Sounds like Steve Jobs has been giving seminars on how to run a business.
I'm not saying you are inept, but I am saying that this seems like a half-baked product that with more effort could provide what people want: The ability for their SA to take AR mags in exchange for an outlay of money without any penalties like having to purchase additional parts or loosing functionality.
Dude, sounds like you are pissing in the corn flakes of someone/company attempting to produce a product that is answering the needs of a majority of stakeholders and customers in Canada.
It appears you are cheezed off because it does not comply with your demands/needs. As mentioned already, the answer is simple, build your own. Otherwise, put in a request to this company or some other company to build what you are looking for. If there is enough of a market/demand and a likelihood of the company to not lose money, I'm sure they will build it.
Otherwise, why be a dik and criticize a Canadian company responding to the requests of it's customers. Something that quite frankly is a rare thing in the Canadian gun industry.
People need to understand what is involved in making these types of design decisions.
Tooling up - programming, setup - in order to get the price to an acceptabel level there has to be some volume.
The idea to offer an AR compatible lower for the swiss rifle is great because:
1) it will allow people who already own AR's to have a non-restricted (as I understand it the SA upper will keep it non-res) piston rifle that they can easily switch furniture from other AR rifles.
2) access all the AR parts that are currently out there (by far the largest accessory market)
This is the largest market for this type of lower, no question. Making a "half & half" lower - ie: AR magwell, but Swiss stock mount would not amount to enough to make it worthwhile - if you want to keep the swiss stock, then you may as well keep the rifle as is - especially since SA mags are now available in Canada at the same price as PMAGS.
I may be wrong, but I don't think many people would spend the money on a new lower only to have access to AR mags - for the price you could probably buy all the SA mags you need.
Anyways, I appreciate the work that goes into this & I hope they can get it done. I'd even consider buying a swiss rifle if the price for the AR lower is reasonable. Even better would be a upper/firecontrol package that we could buy & mate to the canadian lower
Cheers
D
Tooling up - programming, setup - in order to get the price to an acceptabel level there has to be some volume.
The idea to offer an AR compatible lower for the swiss rifle is great because:
1) it will allow people who already own AR's to have a non-restricted (as I understand it the SA upper will keep it non-res) piston rifle that they can easily switch furniture from other AR rifles.
2) access all the AR parts that are currently out there (by far the largest accessory market)
This is the largest market for this type of lower, no question. Making a "half & half" lower - ie: AR magwell, but Swiss stock mount would not amount to enough to make it worthwhile - if you want to keep the swiss stock, then you may as well keep the rifle as is - especially since SA mags are now available in Canada at the same price as PMAGS.
I may be wrong, but I don't think many people would spend the money on a new lower only to have access to AR mags - for the price you could probably buy all the SA mags you need.
Anyways, I appreciate the work that goes into this & I hope they can get it done. I'd even consider buying a swiss rifle if the price for the AR lower is reasonable. Even better would be a upper/firecontrol package that we could buy & mate to the canadian lower
Cheers
D
attackbeaver
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she looks fabtastic
