Canadian Made Swiss Arms AR Lower
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Thanks Peter. Wanted to defend myself but didn't want to flame anyone. The thing I like about this community is that for the most part people are great to talk to.
I really like the Classic Green, it's arguably my favorite of the rifles I own, but anything can have stuff go wrong occassionaly.
I just not that into the Koolaid and want to put some perspective to things for people unfamillier to Swiss Arms etc.
Wow. Some people really don't know what they don't know....
When someone with real experience and most likely more rounds through a gun in a year than most put through in their lifetime gives some insight, I tend to listen.
But go ahead and ignore some the info, and carry on patting each other on the back.
Ok I'm man enough to apologize to Scarheart. Maybe I was a little too harsh...sorry.
I did notice from your pic's that weird hole in the front of the mags. That is not normal and not factory. It should be solid. That may be the issue. All the mags I've ever seen and used in Europe (and here) were solid as well.
Rich
I did notice from your pic's that weird hole in the front of the mags. That is not normal and not factory. It should be solid. That may be the issue. All the mags I've ever seen and used in Europe (and here) were solid as well.
Rich
No problem Rich, I do appreciate advice when offered.
"I did notice from your pic's that weird hole in the front of the mags. That is not normal and not factory. It should be solid. That may be the issue. All the mags I've ever seen and used in Europe (and here) were solid as well."
I was wondering if your mags (mil spec) might be a little different than the mags that come with the rifle. I can't see a real use for that hole. I did include a side shot of the marking so if they are not San mags someone could fill me in please. They are the ones that came with the rifle though.
Things change over time and companies are notorious for downgrading quality after they've established a reputation. Not saying that Swiss Arms are bad just that things might not be quite up to mil spec for the civi crowd. Some of the others that never had a problem in the past also have had limited problems more recently. Rare but it does happen. Its a similar reason to why I wouldn't want to buy Magpul by unnamed Chinese compainy X if it ever was created. It might look the same but you could't trust the materials.
@ Deckard No I let them drop free. Except the cracked ones which no longer drop free. I would think if there was a problem in my technique all the ones I was using would start showing the same signs of wear. But you never know eh?!
@ Wicked P Sometimes people get a little defensive over a product they love if anyone says anything that could be construed as bashing it. I didn't take anything he said too personaly and he's probably a great guy I'd like to meet sometime. I'm sure he's more than capable of defending himself.
"I did notice from your pic's that weird hole in the front of the mags. That is not normal and not factory. It should be solid. That may be the issue. All the mags I've ever seen and used in Europe (and here) were solid as well."
I was wondering if your mags (mil spec) might be a little different than the mags that come with the rifle. I can't see a real use for that hole. I did include a side shot of the marking so if they are not San mags someone could fill me in please. They are the ones that came with the rifle though.
Things change over time and companies are notorious for downgrading quality after they've established a reputation. Not saying that Swiss Arms are bad just that things might not be quite up to mil spec for the civi crowd. Some of the others that never had a problem in the past also have had limited problems more recently. Rare but it does happen. Its a similar reason to why I wouldn't want to buy Magpul by unnamed Chinese compainy X if it ever was created. It might look the same but you could't trust the materials.
@ Deckard No I let them drop free. Except the cracked ones which no longer drop free. I would think if there was a problem in my technique all the ones I was using would start showing the same signs of wear. But you never know eh?!
@ Wicked P Sometimes people get a little defensive over a product they love if anyone says anything that could be construed as bashing it. I didn't take anything he said too personaly and he's probably a great guy I'd like to meet sometime. I'm sure he's more than capable of defending himself.
Is there another market for these? I can't see guys in the US or anywhere else without mag law issues buying them. If there are foreign sales then all the merrier for the manufacturer.
Yeah, there are certainly areas where the Sigs could be updated (mag release could be slightly wider, the safety lever could be extended, It would be nice if there was a floating fore-end...) but the reliability of the mags I think are second to...well, certainly not the AR.
They are one in the same mag...albeit not pinned to 5 rounds.
None of the factory mags that I know of have that hole - be it 5 rounders, 20 rounders or the the 30 round mags. Event the Dominion Arms mags are solid like the factory oem San mags.
You don't know too much about the Swiss do you?
As a nationality, they are extremely proud of their reputation and good name.
Highly unlikely. While your's appear to be factory mags, my guess is these are either really good knock-offs (probably unlikely) or have been modified (most likely) or de-milled (?) for some reason.
Yes, this site is full of people blindly defending their favorite gun or caliber or accessory when they don't know what they're talking about.
And I wasn't defending him, just making an observation about some of the people that post on cgn.
Estrada,
When the mags are clamped you need to grab them to change.
When you grab an clamped set of AR mags there is distance to drop the mag out of the mag well, over to the next mag and them back up to seat them....and make sure it's seated properly (not too hard on a locked back bolt or with 5 round mags).
With the Swiss Arms mag, again you grab the mag to change a quick rotate forward in the same fluid motion after pressing the release with your thumb (bit more of a gross motor skill than with an AR) over a short distance and rock back in.
The distance covered is much less than all the way out and back into the AR mag well.
Faster changes for me and proven in competition. Regardless, train, train and train.
Rich
When the mags are clamped you need to grab them to change.
When you grab an clamped set of AR mags there is distance to drop the mag out of the mag well, over to the next mag and them back up to seat them....and make sure it's seated properly (not too hard on a locked back bolt or with 5 round mags).
With the Swiss Arms mag, again you grab the mag to change a quick rotate forward in the same fluid motion after pressing the release with your thumb (bit more of a gross motor skill than with an AR) over a short distance and rock back in.
The distance covered is much less than all the way out and back into the AR mag well.
Faster changes for me and proven in competition. Regardless, train, train and train.
Rich
I just took a closer look at all my mags. The 4 fivers I have all have the SIG logo on them and two came with the rifle. One of those is the pictured cracked one. I bought two more 5s from a CGN'r and have no probs with them. My 20/5's have no SIG markings even though I was told they were actual SIG mags. I have 5 of those and 2 are cracking in the same spot. I also have two 30/5's. One stamped SIG and one Dominion. They are both flawless. Only the five rounders have that hole in front. More food for thought. Some definitely appear not to be original SIG that should be.
Either way back to on topic. It makes for a desire to have the option for AR and related mags! If nothing else more choices.
BTW would anyone know if it would be legal to (without permanently modifying) a LAR mag by slipping a custom collar over the feed end? It would partly obscure the LAR labelling on the side. The bottum would be untouched though. I believe part of the criterion for the legal 10 round LAR mags is that it is supposed to have the LAR labelling stated on it.
peter2772000
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Funny, I just checked my CQB and the OEM 5-rounder marked "Sig" has that funky hole as well.
- Location
- Ottawa, Ontario
damn if only i could afford it
Kampfhamster
CGN frequent flyer
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- Switzerland
@Scarheart: where did you get the mags?
A german company sells a variant of the 550 with a bolt in the mag well, so that no original magazines (read: without a hole in the front of the mag) can be used. They had to do this to comply with some stupid german law.
A german company sells a variant of the 550 with a bolt in the mag well, so that no original magazines (read: without a hole in the front of the mag) can be used. They had to do this to comply with some stupid german law.
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Out of curiosity, why didn't you design it to fit the AR grip? You've made everything else AR, why not the grip? Would've made the trigger guard less fugly too.
