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Jesus if he can pull it off for sub 1k I think he would have a hit of a gun. However what about specialized parts cost (like barrels and internals), as well as Licensing your company to produce Firearms, both add a great deal of expenses.
Canadian Manufactured 7.62 x 51 Semi Auto
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Jesus if he can pull it off for sub 1k I think he would have a hit of a gun. However what about specialized parts cost (like barrels and internals), as well as Licensing your company to produce Firearms, both add a great deal of expenses.
I only base my AFAIK on the fact that there is no SA Original AR-10 in the FRT, only FA and CA.
Maybe yours friends' is not registered.
How about one of these AR-10's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPrJVD2xc1A
Maybe yours friends' is not registered.
How about one of these AR-10's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPrJVD2xc1A
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Cost Breakdown:
Upper and Lower: $150 (based on ar15 costs)
Use existing ar15 furniture, made in wherever: $100
barrel: $90
That is the easy bit, now the tough bit:
That leaves the internals, the gas block/sight and small bits/sights. Did I miss anything?
The only thing I would make in Canada would be parts that could be made on a CNC machine. Farm out everything else, unless you already have the tooling (looks like you may), EDM, etc for small parts, rifling and turning machines for barrels.
Alternately, use an injection molded lower, upgraded to allow for the new material. But, the design and tooling cost will drive up the price unless the volume is very large. There in lies the benefit of CNC.
Upper and Lower: $150 (based on ar15 costs)
Use existing ar15 furniture, made in wherever: $100
barrel: $90
That is the easy bit, now the tough bit:
That leaves the internals, the gas block/sight and small bits/sights. Did I miss anything?
The only thing I would make in Canada would be parts that could be made on a CNC machine. Farm out everything else, unless you already have the tooling (looks like you may), EDM, etc for small parts, rifling and turning machines for barrels.
Alternately, use an injection molded lower, upgraded to allow for the new material. But, the design and tooling cost will drive up the price unless the volume is very large. There in lies the benefit of CNC.
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I'm buying the first "LWRC" type non-restricted .308 rifle that comes along. If you can make one just like it, I'll take it.
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actually there is an non FA/CA AR10 that was documented it was a Dutch built model with very few manufactured that resides in Calgary, There was a well know court case back in the 90's regarding this rifle AFIK it is still in the owners possession
Get a license off LWRC or Magpul and buy the TDP off them. Don't revinvent the wheel and try to design a new system from the ground up.
4140 barrel - BLAH. Source the barrel blank off Colt Canada - Hammer forge it and do it right.
4140 barrel - BLAH. Source the barrel blank off Colt Canada - Hammer forge it and do it right.
It may actually be worth a call to them to explain the situation. The main hiccup maybe the export subjects.
They may just have the extra time availble on their GFM machine. I don't know what the tooling costs for those machines, but you could ask them. Do they run 7.62 now? My guess is they are running barrels for the US market and are swamped. FWIW we could have barrels run at one of several plants in E. Europe with GFM machines at a reasonable price, or just use button.
I love these brainstorming sessions.
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Sounds good! Keep the cost down and non restricted, and you will sell lots.
+1, manufacture something under licence.
Might be a good business model to approach an american company that wants to sell their products worldwide but can not export. You can help them meet their market, and help us create a new market.
Of course you'll have to start making 7.65 NATO ammo as well.
Might be a good business model to approach an american company that wants to sell their products worldwide but can not export. You can help them meet their market, and help us create a new market.
Of course you'll have to start making 7.65 NATO ammo as well.
My guess is it will be extremely difficult to secure a license from a US company. Any man. will want controls over their products. Most of the guns of interest are fairly new designs. You may be able to swing them with an international marketing pitch and a royalty on each unit sold.
Now somebody has really deep pockets.
I'll believe it when I see it. 
That being said, the specs sound good except for that FN Fal para stock. That stock looks like crap.
Also a side charging handle would be nice. One on the left side for a change not the right. Or something that can be switched to either side. The charging handle on the AR isn't bad except it's awkward with a scope.
It'll be interesting to see if anything comes from this.
That being said, the specs sound good except for that FN Fal para stock. That stock looks like crap.
Also a side charging handle would be nice. One on the left side for a change not the right. Or something that can be switched to either side. The charging handle on the AR isn't bad except it's awkward with a scope.
It'll be interesting to see if anything comes from this.
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First, 5.56mm is not in the cards. 7.62x51 and perhaps a 7.62x33 (based on the 7.92x33 Kurz).
Next, barrel would not be 4140, just the receiver and perhaps even tougher material depending on machining parameters.
Stock could also be Galil style folder but it depends on manufacturer.
I am not re-inventing the wheel. All that is required is blending the best of many different designs and adding some of my own ideas. The process is receiver centric as most of the other parts are already available on a third party production basis. CNC and CAD design brings development and manufacturing down.
The barrels I am talking about are hammer forged, nitride treated (not chrome lined crap) and fluted, just like snipers use. Gas system is adjustable.
There is no consideration of an AR style rifle. That one has been beaten to death and while a decent firearm, its time has come and gone.
An LWRC .308 in Canada is very unlikely. DOS in the US will soon require a DSP-83 (End Use Certificate) for any military calibre imported into Canada if allowed at all.
Lastly, the end result should be non-restricted. As for US production, we own two US factories that could produce it as well.
Hope this helps.
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First, 5.56mm is not in the cards. 7.62x51 and perhaps a 7.62x33 (based on the 7.92x33 Kurz).
Next, barrel would not be 4140, just the receiver and perhaps even tougher material depending on machining parameters.
Stock could also be Galil style folder but it depends on manufacturer.
I am not re-inventing the wheel. All that is required is blending the best of many different designs and adding some of my own ideas. The process is receiver centric as most of the other parts are already available on a third party production basis. CNC and CAD design brings development and manufacturing down.
The barrels I am talking about are hammer forged, nitride treated (not chrome lined crap) and fluted, just like snipers use. Gas system is adjustable.
There is no consideration of an AR style rifle. That one has been beaten to death and while a decent firearm, its time has come and gone.
An LWRC .308 in Canada is very unlikely. DOS in the US will soon require a DSP-83 (End Use Certificate) for any military calibre imported into Canada if allowed at all.
Lastly, the end result should be non-restricted. As for US production, we own two US factories that could produce it as well.
Hope this helps.
Severus
Here are a couple of questions: Are Canadian arms manufacturers allowed to export with fewer restrictions than American? And what kind of market do you think Canada has for a non-restricted semi-auto, 1000, 5000, 10,000?
Internationally Canada is known as a high-quality manufacturing country, probably on par with Switzerland or Germany. I feel that the key to success is to produce a superior quality product and then to sell it to the foreign market in order to achieve better economies of scale.
Internationally Canada is known as a high-quality manufacturing country, probably on par with Switzerland or Germany. I feel that the key to success is to produce a superior quality product and then to sell it to the foreign market in order to achieve better economies of scale.
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