Canadian Manufactured 7.62 x 51 Semi Auto

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I am even considering exchangable barrels and mag wells for calibre changes
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If it's non-restricted and you have a configuration chambered for 6.5X55 swede. I'll buy more then one. Anyone's thoughts on a market for 6.5X55 swede?

Will you have a mag option of 5/20 round mags? For the feel, funtionality and look factor.


I prefere quality, but priced to quality is all one can ask for.
 
rivetc78 said:
Get the rights to build the XM 8 here in Canada.
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That was my thought also. Why not leapfrog into a next generation design?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM8_rifle
 
No4 MkI in stainless steel? Gubbermint might buy them for the Rangers...

Fit No4(T) pads (bases) on 'em all (properly) and they'll sell like hotcakes.
 
Armedsask said:
KPA is still going hard. We have a number of different scope bases available with new models coming out every week. Full rifles are planned, but that sort of thing doesn't happen over night.
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While I wish them success I have to wonder about their business plan. You decide to one day make firearm accessories and for some reason decide to make scope bases? How many different companies make these? They certainly aren't hard to come by. I would have thought that any new company starting out would want to concentrate on items that are actually difficult to get in this country, like AR15 accessories or barrels under 16"
 
You're aspiring to a difficult project.

Asking for end user input, and could end up with something along the lines of the Homer Car from the Simpsons.

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A bit of everything to everyone.

A friend of mine once designed a rifle for a competitive military bid, and submitted 5 examples. His rifle was the runner up, if he'd followed his own instincts and put a detachable mag on, he'd probably have won.

Follow your instincts on this, and take everything you get from here with a grain of salt. Recall the "CGN Lower" thread of earlier in the year where everyone and their dog came up with their own design for the "art" and markings on the lower. Impossible to come to a real consensus, and those who don't get what they want will reject it out of hand and look for faults.

You already know what you want, otherwise, you wouldn't have brought the project here.

Build the rifle.

Build it well.

Test it hard.

Sell it.

It's merits will sell it, or not.

If it doesn't sell, then you're out a bunch of money, but you'll have a bunch of guns.

If it does sell, stand behind it, and fix any problems that crop up.

It'd be hard to outdo the AR type platform, recall, they have almost 50 years of de-bugging behind that platform now. Same with the FN, the AK, the M-14, etc.

None of those rifles were perfect when they were first issued. Even the FN's had problems with pierced primers and the 1 piece firing pin.

Be prepared for teething problems.

Good luck in your quest, and feel free to share your ideas/drawings with us, but be prepared for some users here who will never be satisfied no matter what you make, particularly if you don't use "THEIR" idea.

NavyShooter
 
If you decide to design something from the ground up it will fail miserably and this thread will be the last we ever hear of it.
 
Leg said:
While I wish them success I have to wonder about their business plan. You decide to one day make firearm accessories and for some reason decide to make scope bases? How many different companies make these? They certainly aren't hard to come by. I would have thought that any new company starting out would want to concentrate on items that are actually difficult to get in this country, like AR15 accessories or barrels under 16"
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Leg I got to agree on the AR 15 parts ,I wish Kyle all the best in his venture.The barrels use require a specialized lathe to do this work it is not found in most machine shops
 
instead of making a complete firearms, why not make parts which are either not available in Canada (any more) or are "Custom" to the company.. eg custom stocks.

once you get enough parts made "in house" you can see the cost benefits of making the complete firearm. think of it as baby steps
 
Leg said:
While I wish them success I have to wonder about their business plan. You decide to one day make firearm accessories and for some reason decide to make scope bases? How many different companies make these?
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A lot of companies make scope bases. A lot of companies in the States, that is. Kyle Precision Arms kept hearing the same thing from every dealer and distributor they talked to, "We can't get stuff from the states as easy as we used to." Kyle Precision also makes a superior product, according to many buyers.


As for making AR15 accessories, that's planned for the future. When the company first started to look at what products to make, every boy and his dog made AR15 stuff and the supply issues weren't as bad as they are now. You have to look at what is on the market and what will sell more. There is a whole wack load more Remington 700 rifles than there are AR15's, it's simple economics. KPA made bases for the Swiss Arms rifles because they had an order for them. A run was made and they now have a couple hundred sitting on the shelf and it will likely take years to sell all of them.
 
+1 on what NavyShooter said. Design and build the rifle to what you think the rifle should be, test it hard and then go from there. Everyone has different ideas on what it should be but you're the one building and taking the risk building it in the end.
 
I don't want to throw cold water on your dream,but you are playing to an extremely limited market here.How many sports and recreational shooters and hunters in Canada would actually buy these when there are already so many choices out there.Economies of scale are everything and that means a good sized market,incl export sales(read to the US) to make this a viable undertaking.Shooters are notoriously cheap and I wonder what your realistic sales projections would be based on a $1500-$2000 product.The Norinco M14 clone is quite popular,mostly because of its bargain basement price which results from low overhead costs.How many of the Norincos would sell if the price were say, $850-$1000.Beyond the product cost you also have to consider financing,advertising,packaging,distribution,warranty,repair,and liability costs.All of this,plus a profit for fellow participants and investors, adds to your initial investment in plant,tooling,materials,and staff and must be folded into the product cost.
 
guys, according to what i've read on marstar, they just had their last shipment ever. So we are not going to get more.

Anyways, this sounds like a great idea, the market is only limited to those who set themselves limits, if this design works maybe you could sell it abroad to small countries like Bermuda where they have Mini-14's.

- Canadian made +1
- 7.62 +1
- Black +1
 
Neat idea. I may be willing to spend a little more then the average Joe but I still think that puts me in the under $2000 range.

The biggest thing is accessibility and cost of accessories (mags ect). If it is going to take three months to get parts, forget it. If the mags are going to be up to $50 each, forget it.

As a "new" gun I would be willing to work out the kinks with the supplier, as long they are worked out and in the end I have a great piece of equipment.
 
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