Canadian Manufactured 7.62 x 51 Semi Auto

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Listen I understand the Idea that this is not a solely feasible idea. However he said that his Company already OWNS 3 different metal cutting factories with tools. So we can ignore the entire Manufacture start up costs. Plus, If they already own 3 factories it would make sense that they are already creating products currently, so the initial losses could be dealt with as a short term margin cost of development.
True Parting it together would not work, however if they have any sort of draftsman, then it would be easy to cobble the pieces together to make a proper firearm.
I think that this is doable. All we have to do is help him out.
 
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I think at 3000 dollars a pop, he will be able to sell 1000 in Canada.

Even reverse engineering something takes 2 years - look at MSAR. When they first came out, they were full of issues.

I think robarm will come out with a 308 XCR before any Canadian can ramp up a 308 rifle on its own.
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You can be sure Robarm will be out with the 308 XCR rifle before a Canadian can make their own rifle but the real questions is will the US state Department allow its export from what I have heard its not looking good and it will only get worse when Obama is sworn in. Our only hope may lie with the Swiss Arms SAPR and I promise you it will be costly because a 308 version of a rifle is typically a few hundred more dollars than a 5.56 rifle and second our dollar is tanking. :( But I would still buy it or any other 308 modern non restricted black rifle.
 
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CBMS said:
Listen I understand the Idea that this is not a solely feasible idea. However he said that his Company already OWNS 3 different metal cutting factories with tools. So we can ignore the entire Manufacture start up costs. Plus, If they already own 3 factories it would make sense that they are already creating products currently, so the initial losses could be dealt with as a short term margin cost of development.
True Parting it together would not work, however if they have any sort of draftsman, then it would be easy to cobble the pieces together to make a proper firearm.
I think that this is doable. All we have to do is help him out.
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We are trying to help him out. But you have to be realistic with any business project. My post never mentioned start up costs. What company will want to send hundreds of thousands of dollars down the sh!tter with no return? If his three machine shops are busy theywill have to stop their production runs to fit rifle fabrication in. THAT COSTS MONEY. They have to hire machinists, and do R&D. THAT COSTS MONEY. I don't think Severus has thought this through. I'm waiting, no, I'm hoping, for him to prove me wrong. I wish him the best of luck in this, but lets see a business plan.

Bottom line is they have to sell product. And this is where this whole thing goes off the rails. IMO there is just not enough ROI to justify it. Companies like KPA have the right idea. Start small, build a product line, and then maybe, once you are profitable and have a name behind you, go for the rifle. Larue, Noveske, Magpull, etc...all started out this way.
 
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CBMS - If he has the shops already, there is good chance he already has debt that needs to be serviced. Such is why we are now in a global credit crisis.

Also those shops need money to run, therefore anything produced needs to be profitable, b/c he has these shops to make money.

If he makes guns that dont make money, he also would be taking away from the opportunity to put other things in the shop that would.

However - If he can produce cheaper - more power to him, and I definately will be looking at his stuff anyway if produced, if a quality product, as it would be make in canada no matter the cost.

Lets face it guns are a hobby. Hobbies cost money. You pay to play.
 
The Remington R-25 is selling for around $1,500. That should be the model for the Severus 3000. Just change it enough to prevent it from being classified as an AR variant and you're good to go.

I suggest that severus hire an ex-RCMP official who would advise him on the minimal changes that need to be made to avoid the AR tag.

The rifle should be retail priced at $2,000 and cost $1,500 to build, inclusive of all expenses.

I think that’s the Goldilocks zone.
 
CBMS said:
Listen I understand the Idea that this is not a solely feasible idea. However he said that his Company already OWNS 3 different metal cutting factories with tools. So we can ignore the entire Manufacture start up costs.
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Since they have the facilities, start up costs aren't the problem. Permits are. You can't just decide one day to make firearms in Canada.
 
I know we're all pumped about a "black rifle"... but how about this?
Make a version that looks sort of like a conventional sporting rifle.
Sort of like a Remington 7400 or a BAR. The Browning BAR sells for $1000 bux a pop, that's a long way from $2000; but if we can also get "normal" sportsmen interested in hunting with a version of the new gun it'll put more of them out there.
Even at 2.5K each if you sell it on accuracy, reliability and the ability for the fast follow-up shot and you'll sell them to hunters. Not thousands of hunters, not right away anyway, but some.
 
Splatter said:
I know we're all pumped about a "black rifle"... but how about this?
Make a version that looks sort of like a conventional sporting rifle.
Sort of like a Remington 7400 or a BAR. The Browning BAR sells for $1000 bux a pop, that's a long way from $2000; but if we can also get "normal" sportsmen interested in hunting with a version of the new gun it'll put more of them out there.
Even at 2.5K each if you sell it on accuracy, reliability and the ability for the fast follow-up shot and you'll sell them to hunters. Not thousands of hunters, not right away anyway, but some.
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Problem is, that stuff is already out there. As you mentioned, the Browning BAR. No Canadian company could ever make a firearm to compete with Browning on the Jim the Hunter market. Bubba hunter is not going to pay the premium for a Canadian made product.
 
K-2 said:
The Remington R-25 is selling for around $1,500. That should be the model for the Severus 3000. Just change it enough to prevent it from being classified as an AR variant and you're good to go.

I suggest that severus hire an ex-RCMP official who would advise him on the minimal changes that need to be made to avoid the AR tag.

The rifle should be retail priced at $2,000 and cost $1,500 to build, inclusive of all expenses.

I think that’s the Goldilocks zone.
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ROFLMAO
Change enough of to prevent it being classified as Variants :rolleyes: if the RCMP classify a Pump Action Rifle that looks like an AR that used proprietary mags ,upper and lower receivers ,Declared that rifle a Varient of the AR platform GOOD LUCK.
I think this talk about a new Canadian designed Semi automatic rifle is great ,I but lets not keep thinking AR 10 .:dancingbanana::dancingbanana:
 
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ROFLMAO
Change enough of to prevent it being classified as Variants :rolleyes: if the RCMP classify a Pump Action Rifle that looks like an AR that used proprietary mags ,upper and lower receivers ,Declared that rifle a Varient of the AR platform GOOD LUCK.
I think this talk about a new Canadian designed Semi automatic rifle is great ,I but lets not keep thinking AR 10 .:dancingbanana::dancingbanana:
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The PAC 5 was one big cluster ####. Dlask cut their own throat when they advertised it as an AR15 variant.
 
This gentleman producing a rifle will have minimal costs asscociated with it.
He (his group) already has all the faciliies, the employees and the complete infrastructre any multinational company would have. i.e shipping / brokerage firms / lawyers etc.
This is not a guy with 50K and a small shop. He does not have to hire machinists, he has them already, he dosen't have to hire CAD guys, he has them.

Maybe to many people have tried (said) this before? - hence the sceptics - I'm still new, but he stated "After spending a lot of time and effort......and after a lot of consideration of the import and export issues, I have decided to investigate manufacturing this type of rifle in Canada"

Respect the fact he might know more than you know....he might just give us a surprise.

Galil That was a beautiful Rifle
 
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Dude,

Firearms are not the easiest to sit down and build.

He is talking about a new design, Frankengunning pieces from different guns to keep costs down.
Greentips, MikeH and others have pointed out the pitfalls.

I think we all wish him/them luck, however we are trying to be realistic.
 
rivetc78 said:
He does not have to hire machinists, he has them already, he dosen't have to hire CAD guys, he has them.
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Machinists and CAD guys don't know everything about every industry. Building a firearm requires different skill sets than designing bicycle parts, or anything else for that matter.

I just don't think he's really thought this through. I'm waiting for him to respond to the "skeptics". He has every opportunity to make believers out of us.
 
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