Actually, international agreement, signed onto by the Liberals with the UN Proliferation of Small Arms Agreement
Canadian Military Destroying Browning Pistols
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Actually, international agreement, signed onto by the Liberals with the UN Proliferation of Small Arms Agreement
This is very true.
As time goes on and there are many more billions of people on the planet, more of the mentally unstable wannabees seem to get elected or take over by force positions of power that allows them to be in control of and wield with impunity, weapons of mass destruction of several different types.
OkayShooter
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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I know Glocks with 100k plus thru them, with no issue.
When the rich wage war, it's the poor who dies.
Glocks are know to last 100k+ rounds, Hi-Powers are well known for rarely lasting 50k. I think early IPSC shooters were the ones who discovered this when their competition builds started falling apart after 20-30k. For military use polymer > steel, Hi-Powers don’t last when fired alot
...because we like the Ukrainians. Have you seen what the vast majority of these pistols look like? Beat to hell and back is being polite.
No sure why Ukraine would take our old crap now that they have some of the most modern equipment of any European country, for free. Even if they did, they'd have to purchase new mags for them to feed properly, and I would be surprised if they were available at that scale anymore. And again, their getting plenty of reliable free small arms, so why take something that requires new parts...
Virtue signaling Government waste. No different than destroying surplus police vehicles to stop someone from creating replica police cars and going on a murder spree, because nobody could buy a Ford Taurus or Dodge charger to build one out of..
Cameron SS
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We have donated enough broken garbage to the ukranians already. Making them sift through rubbish to find something passably serviceable isnt an additional burden that the ukranians need right now.
To be clear, every single item we have sent to the ukranians has been garbage. Everything from moth eaten sleeping bags to shot out howitzers, to those rolling coffins known as Bisons. All garbage all well beyond its service life. All of no residual value to the canadian taxpayer.
And the only reaosn why we are giving it away is because flying it to ukraine is cheaper than disposing of it properly. Being able to claim it at full value on the international ledger of charitable donations is a bonus.
By all reasonable accounts russian soldiers have thrown away more serviceable pistols than the CAF would even have available to donate, so this would just be more political talking points for the anti gin liberal government that helps literally no one. Except maybe the Russians.
the news said eleven thousands are in inventory, they didnt say how many are new or used.
these pistols imho are reliable enough to give to second line defense. its gonna be a long war. future supplies are never guaranteed.
it is a shame that canada has been part to all discussions since 2013 ... without just leaving all the meetings ... liberals signed it in 2019 but everybody on that one are responsible ,,...
cptseawolf
CGN Regular
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- Saskatchewan
Literally everything you said is wrong. The Howitzers were our actual operational M777s....from Regts. We haven't donated Bisons...we donated literally brand new LAV6 platform ACSVs. And we also haven't donated CAF sleeping bags.
We donated CARL-G and associated ammo, M72s, Grenades, small arms ammo, 155mm arty ammo.....
I don't know where you get your information.
Yes and no to both cases. The western world has indeed sent a number of new equipment (in some cases, even direct procured items from industry that hadn't even been brought into their own military service yet). At the same time, it has been an opportunity for the western world to liquidate various older assets from operational stocks that are held in asset inventory (=tied up money).
This modern 'lend lease agreement' has been rather useful in that Ukraine is writing blank cheques and nations can clean-up their book value inventories. Most nations' ministries of defence hold the bulk of their respective federal assets (so much so that it affects national credit ratings globally). These assets are not really accounted like in industry of amortised values over time. It has been quite beneficial to dig out these items, be it operational stock or obsolete/obsolescent equipment, to simply clear the books.
In other cases like munitions, all militaries have to rotate their ammunition, large muntions and explosive materials, there is a time-expiry date that if not used, they will be destroyed. It makes 'perfect sense' from a business planning standpoint to literally deplete the shelves for Ukraine so that they can pay for new replacements rather than absorb the cost as a loss. However, that also comes at a risk of western nations not having operational stock if the world was to blow into a major conflict.
