Can't ship optics to Canada?

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Hey, what's the scoop on ordering scopes from the U.S. to Canada? I've bought a few off ebay before no problem but when I tried to order a Weaver 2.5-7x28 from binoculars.com they put me through all the steps then at the end and the "place order" part they say in bold red something along the lines of "Sorry we don't ship that item to your country please edit your shopping cart". Needless to say they won't be getting ANY of my business now! :mad:
 
I talked to a few dealers int he US, some will ship no problem others will not. Rifles scopes/optics are controlled goods and require export permits, but a lot of dealers in the US do not care and just ship. Kind of a gamble in my opinion, you can loose your money and the shipping dealer can get into trouble.
 
U.S. companies have been finding out that in order to export scopes to Canada for instance with a value of over $100.00 U.S. they require the following:

An international import certificate from Ottawa. Which upon receipt from the applicant can be send to the U.S. Than the dealer in the U.S. has to apply for an export permit from the U.S. Department of Commerce.

This would become a paperwork nightmare for a lot of the U.S. dealers and this whole process takes time.
 
white falls said:
U.S. companies have been finding out that in order to export scopes to Canada for instance with a value of over $100.00 U.S. they require the following:

An international import certificate from Ottawa. Which upon receipt from the applicant can be send to the U.S. Than the dealer in the U.S. has to apply for an export permit from the U.S. Department of Commerce.

This would become a paperwork nightmare for a lot of the U.S. dealers and this whole process takes time.
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This may have changed recently, but in the past there was no exemption for rifle scopes/optics.

The U.S. Commerce Dept controls the export of scopes and they had no exemptions.They required permits on EVERYTHING under their control (including rings, bases, etc).I hear they may have relaxed the rules on rings/bases, but I haven't checked lately).

Those in the U.S. that are caught violating the export regulations can suffer stiff penalties and heavy fines.This would include E-Bay sellers.

A couple large businesses were levied with quite large fines a year or so ago.

So to avoid hassles and added paperwork, many U.S. businesses will not ship to Canada, or even outside the U.S. (such as Fulton Armory).

SKBY.
 
Skullboy said:
This may have changed recently, but in the past there was no exemption for rifle scopes/optics.

The U.S. Commerce Dept controls the export of scopes and they had no exemptions.They required permits on EVERYTHING under their control (including rings, bases, etc).I hear they may have relaxed the rules on rings/bases, but I haven't checked lately).

Those in the U.S. that are caught violating the export regulations can suffer stiff penalties and heavy fines.This would include E-Bay sellers.

A couple large businesses were levied with quite large fines a year or so ago.

So to avoid hassles and added paperwork, many U.S. businesses will not ship to Canada, or even outside the U.S. (such as Fulton Armory).

SKBY.
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Man, what a shame. This is a real case of overkill legislation just for glass sights. When it becomes more difficult to order outside the country there's less competition and less selection. It seems like everyone carries the cheap quality scopes and if you're lucky enough to find a dealer in Canada who sells better optics it seems hard to get a good deal, and they want 2-3 times what you could get it for in the U.S. :(
 
..humm I ordered a scope off of Ebay and although I have not received it yet by using the tracking number I see that its now out of the US and has passed through customs.......
 
Ruthless: At the risk of sounding like a party pooper, your suggestion would be violating the US State Department rules. Many optics are interpreted to have 'Tactical Value' (not our interpretation, but theirs....) and are classified as restricted items.

According the the Cdn Gunnutz rules, this discussion is verbotten, I mean the discussion about buying it in the States and bringing across to Kanuckistan.

Remember that you are playing with fire (and the USA Dept of Homeland Security, yada yada yada) and getting caught on their side of the border will mean confiscation, fines, and or jail time. I just don't want to see any of us get burned. Now or forever....

No regrets ....
 
Ruthless said:
Okay, so what happens if I go to US buy a scope and just bring it in??? If I declare it at the customs will they let me through????
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Canada customs could care less as long as it is declared and the appropriate duties/taxes paid.

However if you are stopped on the U.S. side without a valid export permit, you can be in deep ####.

You can have the scope & your vehicle siezed.Also as an Alien in the U.S. you have no rights and can be held/jailed for up to 30 days without being charged.

If the business figures you are Canadian they will probably refuse to sell to you as they can get into trouble for selling to Canadians without the proper paperwork.

SKBY.
 
My suggestion would be to go to the optics forum on 24 Hour Campfire and contact the forum sponsor, "gr8tfuldoug"...not sure what he can do re: scopes, but I recently purchased binoculars from him...excellent price, fast service, and great guy to deal with.
 
Commerce recently reduced restrictions on a lot of stuff -and there is no dollar limit- but they still require permits or have an outright export ban to civilians on anything they consider Tactical ie mildot scopes.

the other issue is that the US company has to be a registered exporter for these goods - in addition to getting the specific import permit for your item. a lot of companies don't have this export registration. brownells does for instance.

if you have a conservative MP in your riding you may want to write him/her to pressure foreign affiars try to get Canada exempt from the export restrictions - which used to be the case in pre clinton-crouton days.
 
As an aside, From Numrich Gun Parts web site:u are placing an

All Foreign orders where the parts total is over $100 requires an import permit. (Note: Canada has a $500 parts limit)
It depends who you deal with on whether they ship anything to Canada, so do some don't....spend lots of money with those who do...
 
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So this makes those EBay scopes begin to look real expensive. Buddy told me some of the Leupold scopes are still considered tactical and if you get a gung-ho they might all be considered tactical. No scope for you! Oh and you dont get your money back either. Makes buying in Canada look real good.
 
bogie said:
So this makes those EBay scopes begin to look real expensive. Buddy told me some of the Leupold scopes are still considered tactical and if you get a gung-ho they might all be considered tactical. No scope for you! Oh and you dont get your money back either. Makes buying in Canada look real good.
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No money back? :(
So what happens if you order a scope through the site and they have an option to ship to Canada, can someone at the border take my scope????
 
Ruthless said:
No money back? :(
So what happens if you order a scope through the site and they have an option to ship to Canada, can someone at the border take my scope????
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If the proper export paperwork is not filled out, yes they can take your scope.
 
As dumb as it sounds it would be very easy to ship to a family member or friend in the UK (no permit rec'd!) then have them ship it to you. I know those of us the live really close to the border have a slight advantage if you know of a US mailing address company, but for items like that jail isn't worth the savings!!
 
icedog said:
My suggestion would be to go to the optics forum on 24 Hour Campfire and contact the forum sponsor, "gr8tfuldoug"...not sure what he can do re: scopes, but I recently purchased binoculars from him...excellent price, fast service, and great guy to deal with.
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He also lists here under the dealers forum.Great prices.RB
 
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