Can't touch a restricted handgun without RPAL?

[hercster]

Retail experience

I have to agree as I spent almost 15 years running a retail store and learned never to judge or turn away a potential customer based on quick judgements. Someone may be inspired to get into the "sport", why turn them away because they don't have a RPAL (yet).....but that's my experience as I have seen many people spend thousands that I did not know they had . A happy retail experience makes a customer for life.

I was a professional buyer for most of my first career. My attitude which was shared by many successful suppliers was that both of us were buying into a relationship rather than products. The relationship included a lot of factors including loyalty and trust over the longer haul.

I generally take that same approach in my private buying. I take it one step further and try to deal with individual people rather than organizations. This has served me and the people with whom I deal very well through a multitude of interests. Since I got interested in handguns, I have spent at least $20k not including ammunition.

So the day I made an appointment and went to the retail situation I described earlier, only to be treated poorly, that was the amount at stake, not just one firearm. In my small business, I treated every client as if they were a customer for life. Too bad more don't follow this line of reasoning as it makes for good and pleasant business.

 

[jaybob]

They probably figure that if you don't have your restricted, you can't buy it,
so they don't want to waste their time.

+1 Likely.

 

[Rod B]

They probably figure that if you don't have your restricted, you can't buy it,
so they don't want to waste their time.

 

[Blegend]

Wtf is with everyone assuming the retailer owes them something? I don't disagree if the retailer is rude them don't shop em, but if all they ask is some measure of security for themselves. Life is not Walmart, the customer is not always right. The fingerprints may wipe off but the scratches wont.

 

[Galt]

Will be doing my RPAL in a few weeks. At the local gun shop I popped in to look at a knife. While I was there I was looking at the Ruger GP100s and Blackhawks in the case, the guy behind the counter asked if he could show me something.he almost forced the gun into my hand.Ended up spending 45 minutes talking about the guns I like and owned in the past and the new ones he likes, after holding (fondling) various guns I walked away purchasing a 30 dollar knife and never being asked for a RPAL.I will be ordering the gun from them once the papers are all in.

 

[WaffenMitUns]

Some people working behind the counter are douchebags. That is all there is to it.

 

[Frontier Firearms]

Also I wanted to thank you for your poor ignorant Fudd attitude it just made it easier to decide what stores I will continue buy products from.

so....

A policy the almost the eliminates the chance of a grab and run = ignorant
A policy the reduces and nearly eliminates the number of people handling guns who are not even legally allowed or even intend to purchase them = ignorant

If you think the 5 -10 seconds it takes to show a card is ignoant how were you anble to to make it through the PAL application form with multiple pages of the most intrusive questions second only to police interogation.

If been asked to see a card that proves you can legally own what you want to handle is so offensive you will not buy from a store (that does this just to protect themselves), then Im suprised that you made it through your PAL form without getting mad and refusing to send it in out of protest.

You cant just define anything you dont like or understand as ignorant. A fudd additude would be one that would be against all guns that are not over 30" and have a wood stock.

If it is just a problem, just tell the clerk what your situation is that you are waiting on your PAL. Im not sure about all stores, but we would fine with that. It is funny that someone mentioned the type that would come in and link every gun to what they use in call of duty, this happens almost daily.

 

[cowcity]

If you think the 5 -10 seconds it takes to show a card is ignoant how were you anble to to make it through the PAL application form with multiple pages of the most intrusive questions second only to police interogation.

The only problem is that this has nothing to do with it. When someone goes into a store gets offended because they are asked to show their RPAL, it is not because they feel violated. It is because they thrive on having control when they are purchasing or looking to purchase. When their ego is damaged, they have to go elseware to find a store ware they can feel that they have the upper hand.

 

[mralberta]

Is it a legal requirment to have staff with current RPAL?

 

[AWOL]

They probably figure that if you don't have your restricted, you can't buy it,
so they don't want you to molest someone elses brand new firearm.

Fixed it for you...

I think if you are a customer of non-restricted's & ammo etc, they would likely let you play. If they hand guns over to every "wannabe" punk who walks in and says they want to play with the "dirty harry" their will be adverse side effects. It's like the teens who go to the GM dealer and ask to test pilot the new Vette. If they are pretty sure you aren't a buyer, they will blow you off quickly. Can't blame them...

 

[Gunslingr]

Ask them if you can touch a person with a restricted pal, while they touch the gun.

Or: Tell them you'll wear gloves, that way you never actually touch it.

Or: Bring in a bag of chopsticks, rubber band a few together and touch it in the rack.

Or: Touch it quickly and run out, squealing.

Or: Tell them you never actually wanted to touch it, really you just want to smell it, but were embarased to ask.

LOL

Seriously though, it MAY be a douchebag ontario CFO thing, or it MAY be a douchebag store policy. Either way there is NO LAW that says this. I went into Bass pro once, with a fellow nut KevinM. and wanted to look at a rem 700, the guy wouldn't let me cause I only had my minors PAL, KevinM. had his "real" PAL and the guy would give it to him:roll eyes: He took it from the guy and promptly handed it to me! I've never bought a gun from Basspro and I never will! The guy who was working there also occasionally works at the Lebarons near my house, I avoid him like the plague when I'm there and the other guys are NOT douchebags, which I appreciate.

I went recently into a new store, I walked up to the counter and asked to see a Rem 700, the guy spun around grabbed it off the shelf and handed it to me. Never even asked for my PAL next time I buy from a store (not often) I will buy from this store although ... I may or may not have promptly killed several schools worth of children without the PAL check

 

[Ballox]

so....

A policy the almost the eliminates the chance of a grab and run = ignorant
A policy the reduces and nearly eliminates the number of people handling guns who are not even legally allowed or even intend to purchase them = ignorant

If you think the 5 -10 seconds it takes to show a card is ignoant how were you anble to to make it through the PAL application form with multiple pages of the most intrusive questions second only to police interogation.

If been asked to see a card that proves you can legally own what you want to handle is so offensive you will not buy from a store (that does this just to protect themselves), then Im suprised that you made it through your PAL form without getting mad and refusing to send it in out of protest.

You cant just define anything you dont like or understand as ignorant. A fudd additude would be one that would be against all guns that are not over 30" and have a wood stock.

If it is just a problem, just tell the clerk what your situation is that you are waiting on your PAL. Im not sure about all stores, but we would fine with that. It is funny that someone mentioned the type that would come in and link every gun to what they use in call of duty, this happens almost daily.

 

[Donny Fenn1]

i get the impression that the majority of the people complining about this policy are the same ones that complain when they buy a new gun gun from a dealer and it arrives bearing signs of being used...

 

[liberal-hater]

I have handled many firearms in many different stores, and I have never been asked to produce a PAL to do so.

I was asked to produce the government permission card in one store, on one occasion for stock handling.

I will never go back.

I should add that I bought a new Glock there six months earlier and the moron knew it. Keith Lovett's old store in Kitchener.

 

[bearkilr]

i get the impression that the majority of the people complining about this policy are the same ones that complain when they buy a new gun gun from a dealer and it arrives bearing signs of being used...

Selling a used gun as new is not so cool, but there's those who find a pinhead-size chip of paint out of the stock when they get home, post a rant on CGN and repeatedly bombard the dealer and manufacturer with e-mails while sobbing like a baby because there's no instant reply. Incidentally, they're the same ones who expect used guns off the EE to be in the same shape as new ones, less the new price of course.

 

[liberal-hater]

I have handled many firearms in many different stores, and I have never been asked to produce a PAL to do so.

It was demanded of me to produce the government permission card in one store, on one occasion for stock handling. This was one or two years ago.

I will never go back.

I should add that I bought a new Glock there six months earlier and the moron knew it. Keith Lovett's old store in Kitchener.

 

[kolumbo69]

A policy the almost the eliminates the chance of a grab and run = ignorant

As I stated earlier I don't see what's wrong with using your communication and foresight to tell you who's going to run. This has nothing to do with being carded I don't understand why looking at a card for a brief second gives you the security to think they still wont run with the gun

A policy the reduces and nearly eliminates the number of people handling guns who are not even legally allowed or even intend to purchase them = ignorant
"]"Legally allowed" how so I held my brother in laws pistol and even shot it at the range without any legal documents but was under his supervision. There aren't any laws about this so quit making them up, I hope at all times you supervise all you customers when they handle firearms. How do you know I am not interested in receiving my my Rpal and aren't looking for more information etc. Oh yeah that's right those communication skills again.
If you think the 5 -10 seconds it takes to show a card is ignorant how were you able to to make it through the PAL application form with multiple pages of the most intrusive questions second only to police interrogation.
For the 5-10 seconds to ask me if I have my rpal and what level of shooting experience I have or if I'm looking to get into the sport, but you being ignorant would just rather blow me off with your blanket assumptions.
If been asked to see a card that proves you can legally own what you want to handle is so offensive you will not buy from a store (that does this just to protect themselves), then I'm surprised that you made it through your PAL form without getting mad and refusing to send it in out of protest.
You cant just define anything you don't like or understand as ignorant. A fudd attitude would be one that would be against all guns that are not over 30" and have a wood stock.
I consider a fudd anyone,especially a store that has a blanket policy about handling their firearms instead of using their personal experience and communication skills to see how interested I am in firearms and what brought me in today.

If it is just a problem, just tell the clerk what your situation is that you are waiting on your PAL. I'm not sure about all stores, but we would fine with that. It is funny that someone mentioned the type that would come in and link every gun to what they use in call of duty, this happens almost daily.

I would suggest if you read further back where you would have noticed that everyone in this thread gave personal experiences when they were practically cast aside like they had a disease because they didn't hold an PAL/rpal on their possession at that time. Me having me Rpal but not on me at the time was completely blown off. But yet in every industry but the gun one some retailers have a holyier than now attitude because the lack of competition and supply. I suggest you work better on those communication skills and maybe you would increase your client base as well as bring new shooters into the sport

 

[kps1911]

I couldn't touch a shotgun at LeBarons or Bass Pro without my licence

I had to wait until I got my RPAL before they would let me sholder anything.

Hmmmm, the staffers must have profiled you. LOL. I was at Le Baron the other day looking at some semis and they never asked for my PAL.

 

[kps1911]

I would suggest if you read further back where you would have noticed that everyone in this thread gave personal experiences when they were practically cast aside like they had a disease because they didn't hold an PAL/rpal on their possession at that time. Me having me Rpal but not on me at the time was completely blown off. But yet in every industry but the gun one some retailers have a holyier than now attitude because the lack of competition and supply. I suggest you work better on those communication skills and maybe you would increase your client base as well as bring new shooters into the sport

Yes, and some people have a bizarre and pompous attitude of self entitlement.

If a business has policies I do not approve of, I take my money elsewhere and don't ##### about how they run their business as I would not appreciate them telling me how to run mine. I was buying bulk pistol ammo at a big dealer north of Toronto and the clerk asked for my PAL, not the cashier...the clerk and then he glanced at the "R" endorsement, which surprised me, but didn't upset me. Should I have gotten all bent out of shape? Stormed out of the store never to come back?

I did extensive traveling in the US for years and been to hundreds of gun stores in many states. Pretty much in all of them, every clerk was either open carry or concealed carrying a sidearm. Try a dash and run there. LOL! Here, well...verbotten...so rPAL it is.

 

[Superbrad]

I love all of these "I will never shop there" posts... You shop where you get the best deal on the best firearm PERIOD..... If you want to waste a bunch of money driving all over hells half acre and paying more in a different store because the first one asked to see your RPAL then you are not a very intelligent individual.....

3 days before deer season last year I went in to LeBaron's in Ottawa and picked up a new Rem 700..... the gun counter was packed..... do you have any idea how many of the people there A) didn't have a PAL, B) Were just windowshoppers and C) wanted to ask stupid questions about firepower and personal defense?..... I can only imagine how long it would have taken me to get my rifle if staff spent time letting these posers handle a firearm.... I can only imagine how bad it would have been if they sold handguns and black stuff...

You want to compare guns to cars?... Guess what? the salesman doesn't have to watch you like a hawk in a showroom car... and once everyone has had their way with it the dealer has to sell it at a demo discount..... if you want to be more serious about buying and want a test drive then you need to show your license....

Taking 5 seconds to prove that you are an eligible buyer and have been trained in safe handling is not too much to ask.... There are many stupid people out there that don't have the training that would be waving the gun around at everyone and their brother in the store reliving call of duty online glory....