Can't understand 1911

1911 designation can mean several things:
1. Original Browning 1911 design in 45 ACP
2. 1911 frame size and shape

Also, modern 1911s are made in any caliber 38 super, 9, 40, 45...

Why everybody makes them? Simply because there is demand for them. Are they the same? They are all VERY different. Pick up a Norinco 1911 and then pick up an STI or an Infinity 1911 in your hand and squeeze the trigger. Report back your findings ;-)

Pgabriele said:
I'm sure this is a newb question but almost every manufacturers has a 1911 model hand gun. From what I've searched Browning was the first, and they are all .45 acp. I just don't understand why every adopts the 1911 label, is it a mechanical similarity? An aesthetic similarity? Or just the fact that they are .45 acp? Also if there are mechanical similarities why would one manufacturer differ from another if they use a cookie cutter design and just put their name one it and a little bit of lipstick?
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Travis Bickle said:
The 1911 design is brilliant mechanically (John Browning was god damned genius) for it's time and place, it's simple, reliable and durable.
I like the 1911 for what it is. A sturdy handgun that fires a big, fat, retarded-slow moving bullet. However it's by far not my personal favorite handgun. I've shot and tried quite a few hand guns now. Eveyone has their own preferences. I try and base mine on realistic expectations though and I've finally settlled with the Makarov as my favorite (now the only hand gun I own currently).
The reason I think the 1911 is so popular is because 1) It's an American icon 2) it's in every video game and movie ever made making it the "AK-47" of the handgun world to people outside of the gun community 3) because of reason 2 and 3 there is more biased myth and lore surrounding it than it's actual characteristics. It's held in popular mass opinion as a MANS gun, big giant stopping power .45 ACP made in America slaying Communists and Terrorists for 100 years +!!!!!!(!!!) If you don't like it, it's because your tiny fruity hands are just too small and you need to get a ##### enlargement! etc etc Not to mention the large amount of people who put stopping power ahead of shot placement but that's a whole other biased emotional touchy internet commando debate......
Personally the reason I don't own one or even prefer them is because they are extremely beefy, oversized and heavy. Extremely unwieldy. They are single action. Too many safeties. The ammunition is expensive as hell. The guns themeselves are overpriced and expensive as hell.
It took me a while to see through the slanted smoke screen of reasons 1 to 3 though. Hell I may even pick one up some day down the road for s**ts and giggles but for me there are many other better alternatives.
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While you make some good points I am not sure I fully agree. I paid $700 for my Ruger 1911 new. It shoots straight, has been 100% reliable since broken in, except for a magazine problem. It is bigger and heavier than a plastic gun but I certainly don't find it overlarge or unwieldy. Is it as accurate as my $3000 Pardini, no. Would I trust it in a SHTF moment more than my Sig 226, no, but it is still a damn fine handgun and one of my favourites.
 
r34skyline said:
Lol splits, what about a moz drill when filled with mud? I buy go to war guns, not playtoys.

On a sidenote P30L came out before the glock wannabe walther. Try again.

And looks? Who gives a #### how it looks, how does it function under the most adverse conditions, that's what is critical.
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One I don't know what a moz drill is so not relevant for me
Two, don't really care, not a big fan of any plastic gun, can't carry in Canada so weight is a non-issue
Three, see comment two. I only shoot at the range so who cares

I don't have anything against HK or any other brand except maybe S & W for their crap service but while the 1911 may not be the best it is still a decent gun for most of us.
 
misanthropist said:
Nor did I reference any of the 1911's upsides, such as a trigger the P30 can only dream of, or a platform so tolerant of alterations to its performance constraints that it can run on anything from 9mm to 460 Rowland with little more than a different top end and magazines that will hold the round.

Every platform has advantages and disadvantages. The 1911 is one of the great designs of firearms history; it also comes with some drawbacks. It's up to the individual user to choose which set of benefits they would like to choose, and whether the costs are worth it.


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As a footnote to this. I have a Tokorev TT-33, $169. This is basically a 1911 right down to the toggle. They made some modifications to make manufacture easier and to shoot the 7.62x25 cartridge. They screwed up the trigger by going to a modular unit and it is very crudely made. But you know what it shoots well and is very reliable. If you can mess with the basic 1911 this much and use crappy manufacturing and still end up with a solid gun you can't argue with the basic design.
 
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