Case Annealers

Kryogen said:
expensive annealers anneal by time anyway, so they would be less precise than watching the line, unless you are annealing ammo that is all the same batch and thickness, and all the same neck length....
the only thing that is more anal than hand annealing is tempilaq on every case.
you can also cut grains in half, or water weight your cases....
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They anneal by time you set after confirming temp reached. Watching a ring descend down the neck to confirm temp reached is a bit like checking powder charge by peering into cartridge to check level. If you find something that works its nice to have a reference to return to. For a few rifles I have up to 500 cartridges that would be loaded at one time. If they needed annealing watching the heat ring descend down the casing would be fairly tedious, in fact its tedious with my bench source machine. Everyone has different needs and expectations of the equipment they use and if your method works for you, great. My method works for me.
 
Mad_Mikee said:
They dont, but you can import them.
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But you can't legally EXPORT them from the US. (automated reloading equipment requires export licenses, and manufacturer must also be registered).

Exporting one of them is no different than exporting firearm parts, exactly the same laws apply, with the same penalties (typically banned from the US for 5 years to life, including being put on the no-fly list for life so you can't even overfly the US, even if you don't land).
 
Kryogen said:
Rotary automatic annealers are super nice. it,s just that I am not rich enough to afford a 800$ annealer just to play with it.
If you are, I am sure that this product will work super fine.
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Yeah, it's a total gun nutter toy. For most of us, $800 buys a lot of cases. Nice to have if one is that into it though.
 
If you anneal just by watching where the coloration change stops, how are you properly controlling the final annealing temperature? Pure guess work unless you have good control over the heat source, have an establishe dprocedure and can get the heat source the same every time. Considering the cost of Tempilaq and the value of good brass like Lapua etc., why would you roll the dice?
 
For those that are considering annealing for precision shooting, do it right and that can be pricey with tooling. BUT, it is way too easy to do it wrong or inconsistently which will create far more trouble then just using new brass.

Annealing matters and if you have right tool, you will use it often - like every firing.

But you and your rig have to be able to see small groups at distance and all your other loading practises have to be solid.

For LR F class, it will become a standard procedure as we are seeing the benefits on paper. Given how expensive each shot is, preserving the most important part of your components will be money well saved.

Even new brass can sometimes benefit from "proper" annealing. It is like weighing charges, using match primers and top tier bullets. Part of a regiment that optimises every shot.

YMMV.

Jerry
 
Here is my new Bench Source Annealer it works very well. I am very happy with it!

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Scharfschütze said:
Sorry to hijack this thread but where can one buy tempilaq? Is there a Canadian distributor? Thanks
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The only Canadian supplier I knew of stopped selling to individuals. Other guys on here may know of a Canadian welding supplier that will sell individual bottles, you can find places in the US that will ship the liquid to Canada, if you get one 700F and one 750F along with a bottle of thinner you will be set for years.
 
SandRoad said:
But you can't legally EXPORT them from the US. (automated reloading equipment requires export licenses, and manufacturer must also be registered).

Exporting one of them is no different than exporting firearm parts, exactly the same laws apply, with the same penalties (typically banned from the US for 5 years to life, including being put on the no-fly list for life so you can't even overfly the US, even if you don't land).
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Got my Benchsource direct from Graf and Sons (they were very helpful and will be getting more of my business in the future). They have no issues sending this unit to Canada. I had mine sent to NRA Whittington Center to save on taxes and shipping, but they told me they could send it to my house if I wanted.

Direct quote from Graf employee "No issues with this unit going over the border,...... considered "NLR" by US dept of commerce as well as state. Customs could delay you and check it out,... (they have no reason to though) but ultimately they will let you pass. It is considered Schedule B's 8463900060-8467895090-8467990190,... which are completely unrestricted as long as you aren't trying to take the unit in Sudan or Somalia,... or similar."
 
CyaN1de said:
Got my Benchsource direct from Graf and Sons (they were very helpful and will be getting more of my business in the future). They have no issues sending this unit to Canada. I had mine sent to NRA Whittington Center to save on taxes and shipping, but they told me they could send it to my house if I wanted.

Direct quote from Graf employee "No issues with this unit going over the border,...... considered "NLR" by US dept of commerce as well as state. Customs could delay you and check it out,... (they have no reason to though) but ultimately they will let you pass. It is considered Schedule B's 8463900060-8467895090-8467990190,... which are completely unrestricted as long as you aren't trying to take the unit in Sudan or Somalia,... or similar."
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The export issue is with the Giraurd unit, this is fully automated with a case feeder, hence needs export licence, the benchsource requires your hand to feed cases, hence not fully automated, no need for export licence
 
duceman said:
is that 3-4 seconds for neck turned 223, or regular neck thickness? how many degrees between 3 and 5 seconds on regular 308? 50bmg? 17 rem? 30-30 win?
if 750* is the desired temp for a correctly annealled neck, is that not what we should be annealling to?
i anneal for consistant neck tension more than anything, but extended brass life, especially in my neck forming wildcats and comp guns is an added bonus.
for the average guy running 100 rds or less downrange each year, probably a waste of time.
lee
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agreed.without tempilac or a timed machine brass temps will be all over the map.when annealing with your setup you get very consistent necks.the test of that is the k and n arbor press with the micrometer attachment measuring seating tension on every round.that is where the consistency of yours or the timed machines shows.
 
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