CC in Canada..what would you carry?
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Oh yeah you have it pegged = I carried my 5.5" stainless consecutive serial #ed Ruger Bisley Vaquero's in 45 Colt for appr 5 years in remote wilderness areas on my ATC.
Full cowboy leather holsters/gear, boots, Duster jacket etc...
Oh yeah you have it pegged = I carried my 5.5" stainless consecutive serial #ed Ruger Bisley Vaquero's in 45 Colt for appr 5 years in remote wilderness areas on my ATC.
Full cowboy leather holsters/gear, boots, Duster jacket etc...
Cameron SS
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You do realize that there is NO need to carry in majority of the USA. Its more so exercising your RIGHT that so many other americans have died for. You damn well better exercise all the rights you have, considering people have gave their lives to fight for those freedoms. Fortunately in the USA one of those freedoms is to be able to have what you need to be independent and can take care of your self. Its not about feeling in danger, its about knowing you got the means to defend yourself if need be. I wish I never have to pull my CCW, but when I do I'll be damn glad I got a gun than not one.
And in fact, particularly evident in the US, the more people that carry, statistically the less like you are to need to. Go figure.
You do realize that there is NO need to carry in majority of the USA. Its more so exercising your RIGHT that so many other americans have died for. You damn well better exercise all the rights you have, considering people have gave their lives to fight for those freedoms. Fortunately in the USA one of those freedoms is to be able to have what you need to be independent and can take care of your self. Its not about feeling in danger, its about knowing you got the means to defend yourself if need be. I wish I never have to pull my CCW, but when I do I'll be damn glad I got a gun than not one.
Good to hear from someone who gets it.
How many of you guys are aware that at one time in IPSC, holsters were required to be concealable? And the country that brought that to be at a world meeting? Why, CANADA, of course!
We all had to buy new holsters to meet the requirement and every match had to have a concealed stage. The Americans paid lip service to it at best, making a mockery of it by wearing chest rigs (ala Tom Campbell of team S&W) under ski jackets closed with Velcro, etc. It was rescinded at the next world meeting and the last vestige of practicality in IPSC went by the board.
Now in IDPA it is again a requirement, seasonal clothing the norm - vests in summer, heavier clothing as required. We have a heated indoor range that is still pretty cool so we wear appropriate jackets.
If you really want to find out if your favoured 9mm plastic pistol or your steel framed blaster is suitable for concealed carry, get into IDPA and learn. Gun types, like holster types are totally subjective, what works for one not necessarily working for another.
The late Jeff Cooper (father of Combat Pistol Shooting) used to say that if you aren't willing to walk into the bank, liquor store or shopping mall wearing your gun, then you don't meet the requirement. That applies to this day.
According to IDPA/USA, over 60% of licenced CCW holders carry revolvers in the real world. Seems that when your A$$ is on the line, people prefer revolvers to spray & pray 9mms with higher mag capacity.
We all had to buy new holsters to meet the requirement and every match had to have a concealed stage. The Americans paid lip service to it at best, making a mockery of it by wearing chest rigs (ala Tom Campbell of team S&W) under ski jackets closed with Velcro, etc. It was rescinded at the next world meeting and the last vestige of practicality in IPSC went by the board.
Now in IDPA it is again a requirement, seasonal clothing the norm - vests in summer, heavier clothing as required. We have a heated indoor range that is still pretty cool so we wear appropriate jackets.
If you really want to find out if your favoured 9mm plastic pistol or your steel framed blaster is suitable for concealed carry, get into IDPA and learn. Gun types, like holster types are totally subjective, what works for one not necessarily working for another.
The late Jeff Cooper (father of Combat Pistol Shooting) used to say that if you aren't willing to walk into the bank, liquor store or shopping mall wearing your gun, then you don't meet the requirement. That applies to this day.
According to IDPA/USA, over 60% of licenced CCW holders carry revolvers in the real world. Seems that when your A$$ is on the line, people prefer revolvers to spray & pray 9mms with higher mag capacity.
Cameron SS
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Spray and Pray 9mms? because what?
What percentage of CCW holders are old white men who grew up shooting cowboy action and what the SAA out of nostalgia?
Can you provide a link that documents your 60% statistic? I would like to read more.
How many professional agencies are still using revolvers by choice, and not due to lack of budgets?
Just about every professional gun fighter in the world is carrying a semi auto with the reasonably largest available magazine capacity.
IDPA is still just a sport, so there is a lot of room for style and taste. What were the last 10 guys who won IDPA national matches carry? Cause, you know, science.
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redshooter
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The reality is that CC isn't about having a Combat Pistol. I have a buddy in U.S. who carries all the time (location permitting of course), he started with a Glock 19, now he carries an M&P Shield, or a 380 Bodyguard depending on the season. Why?, because in his words a large gun becomes a pain in the ass. Smaller and lighter, you tend to actually pack it all the time. The perfect carry gun? A shrouded 38/357 J frame or Colt Cobra. They are light, effective, and can be fired from a pocket if need be.
Waynetheman
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Maybe you want a big honkin blingy pistol for those open carry Texas BBQ days?
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I was just being silly with the Kimber picture, I would probably carry a .38 snub nosed or a subcompact Glock 26/27/33/42/43 etc.
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Agreed that a pistol best suited for combat is not necessarily well suited for CCW, but neither are they mutually exclusive. Since CCW must be incorporated into an individuals lifestyle and preferences, I don't think anyone can contend that there is such a thing as a perfect carry gun for all of the millions of people and life styles that use one. Personally I think method of carry and holster selection matters far more than the individual firearm, but obviously there is a variety of factors that influence each other to consider. To each their own.
I own a compact light weight 5 shot DAO revolver in 38 S&W (not special), and in many ways might be a better choice for CCW than my full framed sig 226. The revolver still wouldn't be my preferred choice.
I especially reject the claim that revolvers are particularly well suited, especially in light of the "9mm spray and pray" comment. Nor do I support the claim that revolvers are best simply because an unqualified (the stat, not the person) majority of people choose them. Nothing about any given calibre should be associated with how that calibre is or can be employed. I can spray and pray with a revolver, and I can fire deliberate aimed shots with any other firearm.
As for shooting from a pocket, talk about a bad day.
Wow... that's tiny.. conceal ability is a good point not so much to hide but just a huge lump under a jacket etc
Yup. I guess all those younger people who pack revolvers do it just because their Daddies and Granddaddies were Cowboy Action Shooters.
If you disagree with the IDPA stat, take it up with them or check their web site. I don't think they would deliberately mislead you in a sport predicated on US CCW laws dominated by semi-autos.
My tongue-in-cheek remark about 'spray & pray' 9mms is based on what I see on a regular basis at our IDPA practices. Some of the semi-auto users try to compensate by shooting beyond their skill level, hitting 'no-shoots' and even missing full sized targets. The revolver shooters tend to make every round count.
Whether on the range or the street, the law of applied firepower is the first round that hits the intended mark wins, not the first round fired or the number of rounds fired. By the remarks, it's easy to see who is a competitive shooter on this forum and who is not.
"Style and taste"? What has that got to do with proficiency? it's a shooting game and what matters after safety is putting the bullets where they need to go in the shortest time.
But, unlike REAL gunfights, there is a "Second Place Winner".
The cops were amongst the last to adopt semi-autos (notably the rcmp) as the ganstas (a group not known for it's firearms proficiency) were armed with the latest hi-cap semi-autos. They felt under gunned.
If you disagree with the IDPA stat, take it up with them or check their web site. I don't think they would deliberately mislead you in a sport predicated on US CCW laws dominated by semi-autos.
My tongue-in-cheek remark about 'spray & pray' 9mms is based on what I see on a regular basis at our IDPA practices. Some of the semi-auto users try to compensate by shooting beyond their skill level, hitting 'no-shoots' and even missing full sized targets. The revolver shooters tend to make every round count.
Whether on the range or the street, the law of applied firepower is the first round that hits the intended mark wins, not the first round fired or the number of rounds fired. By the remarks, it's easy to see who is a competitive shooter on this forum and who is not.
"Style and taste"? What has that got to do with proficiency? it's a shooting game and what matters after safety is putting the bullets where they need to go in the shortest time.
But, unlike REAL gunfights, there is a "Second Place Winner".
The cops were amongst the last to adopt semi-autos (notably the rcmp) as the ganstas (a group not known for it's firearms proficiency) were armed with the latest hi-cap semi-autos. They felt under gunned.
Brutus
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^Very very Nice!!
Edit: Never read much good after-action, regarding 'fast' reloads with any J frame snubbie in 357.
