CDTSA 3-Gun Team - Looking for Volunteers

I think all the people that want to have a good discussion about the "whys" should just offer to take the team out for beers.
We will all keep talking if you keep pouring ;)
 
Scotty454 said:
...We have to put about 8 staples per cardboard target to prevent them from getting torn off in the wind. Half the time when I take take them down at the end if the day they get torn in such a way that it would be impossible to staple them back on. Stapling 60 sheets of paper on a target is not feasible. Taping is fine, evidence of this being that it's the norm across many shooting sports. Are they all wrong?

Reset time is a significant consideration in our stage designs. Inconveniently, our targets that are the most fun require reset (tombstones, poppers, Texas stars, shotgun knockdowns, swingers, etc). We try to find a balance between fun and fast. You'd know all these things if you were on the other side of the match, designing and proving stages.

The overwhelming majority of our pistol targets are steel, and require zero reset.

25 yard rifle steel will not happen. Full stop. I'm losing interest in justifying things. We're gonna keep running matches that everyone seems to enjoy but you; you don't have to shoot them if you don't like them, mmkay?
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You're missing the point here. A faster less labour intensive method of resetting targets would go a long way. Resetting tombstones is easy and fast. stapling a fresh paper against a cardboard backer is fast, or even clipping a fresh cardboard(or freshly taped cardboard) atop the target that's stapled to the lattice legs is fast. If you can pull the targets(paper) quickly and replace them quickly you can then be scoring and taping the last run(behind the line) while someone else is shooting their run. Doing more than standing around while one person shoots will save time. Saving time can be used to start later, end sooner, or add more competitors/targets/stages to a match.

JoKa said:
Not sure who said that to you because I think last year was the first year EVER in the history of CDTSA that we didnt let every single person in and the wait list carried over to the next year.
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So you're saying someone not following the rules and no one enforcing it caused damage??
 
Yycbulletsandbrass said:
You're missing the point here. A faster less labour intensive method of resetting targets would go a long way. Resetting tombstones is easy and fast. stapling a fresh paper against a cardboard backer is fast, or even clipping a fresh cardboard(or freshly taped cardboard) atop the target that's stapled to the lattice legs is fast. If you can pull the targets(paper) quickly and replace them quickly you can then be scoring and taping the last run(behind the line) while someone else is shooting their run. Doing more than standing around while one person shoots will save time. Saving time can be used to start later, end sooner, or add more competitors/targets/stages to a match.
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Lol, wow. Pulling targets and scoring behind the line? Less labour intensive? Clips? Dude, stahp. The best timesaver I've found is that instead of slowly enunciating "Two Alpha", I point and say "Tu-waffle". Lets us start a four hour match at noon, and finish by one o'clock.

If I was out in y'all's neck of the woods, I would try to volunteer...because that is what makes matches run faster and smoother. Instead of waiting for someone to "shoot their run", make sure you've got patches ready to go. If your on-deck shooter was the person resetting the steel in the far corner, get someone else ready to boot out there. Make sure everyone in the squad is bombed up. Grab the RO a water. As soon as you hear "Range is safe", get moving. Study the stage with an eye towards the quickest reset: assign people certain areas to patch.
 
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Hanzo said:
BTSA removed their membership cap, claiming the new online registration allowed them to deal with added capacity. I realize that CDTSA (one range) is much closer to Calgary so probably has huge population pressure. Yes I’m on waitlist. Everything I’ve heard is thay it can take years to get in. I know matches are public but I need practice range and league days too, will see where I can get in and what works, happy to volunteer at that time.
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JoKa said:
Not sure who said that to you because I think last year was the first year EVER in the history of CDTSA that we didnt let every single person in and the wait list carried over to the next year.
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Yycbulletsandbrass said:
So you're saying someone not following the rules and no one enforcing it caused damage??
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Haha..ha....errrr....What??
 
Yycbulletsandbrass said:
You're missing the point here. A faster less labour intensive method of resetting targets would go a long way. Resetting tombstones is easy and fast. stapling a fresh paper against a cardboard backer is fast, or even clipping a fresh cardboard(or freshly taped cardboard) atop the target that's stapled to the lattice legs is fast. If you can pull the targets(paper) quickly and replace them quickly you can then be scoring and taping the last run(behind the line) while someone else is shooting their run. Doing more than standing around while one person shoots will save time. Saving time can be used to start later, end sooner, or add more competitors/targets/stages to a match.



So you're saying someone not following the rules and no one enforcing it caused damage??
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Look man(?), it's pretty obvious that we have varying opinions on how things should be done, but we appreciate your input anyways. Your intentions are obviously not malicious, and it's more than a lot of people are offering. So I think we're just gonna have to agree to disagree and move on.


PS: Checking every round in 60 people's ammo boxes and mags with a magnet is unrealistic. We work on the honor system; we make a rule, make people aware of it, and expect them to be mature enough to follow it. Sometimes things slip through the cracks. Issues will be dealt with on an individual basis as identified.
 
Still alive said:
Are your rifle rules different in Alberta? We are required to be a minimum of 100yds here in BC and 10yds for handgun. No steel core either way.
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CFO rules for perm steel installation is 100
Match use and special event is a bit different because it is supervised and controlled. (Like ammo being checked)
Same rules apply for LEO practicing at 20yards with FRANG and Rifle.
 
JoKa said:
Point is, we dont do it now and we have reasons.
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We don’t do it either. Probably for the same reasons! My club has small bays. Longest being 50yds. We shoot steel for handguns but paper for rifle. The only stage where we shoot rifle steel is on our rifle bay which goes to 200m. We have to get creative designing that stage to minimize resets and ROs running 200m 10 times!
 
Still alive said:
We don’t do it either. Probably for the same reasons! My club has small bays. Longest being 50yds. We shoot steel for handguns but paper for rifle. The only stage where we shoot rifle steel is on our rifle bay which goes to 200m. We have to get creative designing that stage to minimize resets and ROs running 200m 10 times!
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Yeah, I feel ya. When the program first started we had one 25 yard bay, one 100 yard bay and later we took over the aerial shotgun range which made for some interesting stages.
 
Still alive said:
We don’t do it either. Probably for the same reasons! My club has small bays. Longest being 50yds. We shoot steel for handguns but paper for rifle. The only stage where we shoot rifle steel is on our rifle bay which goes to 200m. We have to get creative designing that stage to minimize resets and ROs running 200m 10 times!
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How do you deal with resets on your paper targets?
 
thejeff said:
How do you deal with resets on your paper targets?
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We use patches on our short range bays.

We eliminate paper entirely on our long range stages and use only steel for both handgun and rifle. Rifles out to 200m and pistol to 25m. So no reset needed. Usually limited round count and time count also. We have a designated spotter who calls the hits.
 
Still alive said:
We use patches on our short range bays.

We eliminate paper entirely on our long range stages and use only steel for both handgun and rifle. Rifles out to 200m and pistol to 25m. So no reset needed. Usually limited round count and time count also. We have a designated spotter who calls the hits.
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Sounds pretty much like what we do. Thanks!
 
Yycbulletsandbrass said:
I shoot 3 gun at CDTSA and I place better than you Scott...
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I honestly don’t know which is greater, the arrogance of your comment or the irrelevance...

At any rate, Jeff and Scott you sound like you’ve got things well in hand. I wish I was closer because I would help out - you sound like the kind of people I would enjoy working and shooting along side.
 
Runningfool said:
At any rate, Jeff and Scott you sound like you’ve got things well in hand. I wish I was closer because I would help out - you sound like the kind of people I would enjoy working and shooting along side.
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Thanks! If you're ever in Calgary for one of our matches, let me know.
 
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