Cerakote Questions

Backwoods gunsmith just outside of North Bay ON. Had my Norinco 14" 870 clone done there. He did an amzing job, so obviously takes his time with Prep. Darren Cropper is his name.
 
Black Box Customs just did my VP9 slide and it looks good. They can do so much to glocks too.

lucsergerie said:
Hi Guys


I try to find a place to do Cerakote ! Where is the best place in Canada? I have a Glock 17 with a TSD slide, i want just the slide, i think we don't need paper work for the slide only?

I am in Montreal! ( not by choice )

Thank you
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Unfortunately, Guncoat isn't as scratch resistant, chemical resistant, or superior in any other test there is, compared to CERAKOTE. This is why every major manufacturer has a line of their firearms CERAKOTED.
 
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MustangFrank said:
Unfortunately, Guncoat isn't as scratch resistant, chemical resistant, or superior in any other test there is, compared to CERAKOTE. This is why every major manufacturer has a line of their firearms CERAKOTED.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but one thing to consider is that Cerakote has always had a MASSIVE marketing budget, that's why their name is everywhere, and it's easy to believe that it is superior when they bombard you with their slogans.

KG gunkote is a family owned business that cant spend millions in advertising. Stemming from automotive coatings and lubricants, their chemical engineers come up with some ingenious formulas. not just paint but gun care products also.

KG Gunkote is thinner (0.0005", 5 ten thousandths), tougher and more flexible in all colours.

I had an M14 come in that was FDE in Cerakote and the paint was coming off like it was krylon. At first I suspected prep work was the culprit but the rifle was painted by a reputable gunsmith, actually one that was mentioned in this thread already, so the job was done right, it was the product that failed. I refinished it in KG and the finish has held up through 100's of rounds more than when it came in without a hiccup.

If you plan on flexing your firearm, KG can flex 180 degrees, their product has a higher than 9 pencil hardness in all colours and ive tried submerging it in laquer thinner and acetone with no degradation, not sure what chemicals you plan on using on your firearm but these are extremely harsh.
 
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John, everything you have stated is hearsay or opinion regarding guncoat. As you are probably well aware there are numerous independent lab test results on the CERAKOTE web sight. Everyone has seen them including some very impressive videos.

Would you care to provide some actual test results showing the attributes of guncoat. I really don't mean to start a p!!sing contest on a two year old post but I hate seeing people speak untruths about a product such as CERAKOTE while at the same time make boisterous claims about another product that cannot be backed up with facts. Your anecdotes are not really accepted as science.

Out of curiosity, since you are such a strong supporter of guncoat, can you list a few major firearms manufacturers currently offering a line of guncoat products ? Speaking of automotive uses, is guncoat used in NASCAR ? Cerakote is.
 
MustangFrank said:
I'm already expecting to hear how the test was fixed LOL.

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I've got lots of kg (and cerakote) around.

How about we dredge up a couple norc 1911's you cerakote one 100% coverage inside and out (everything but springs), and I'll KG one same same.

We assemble them dry and draw from a dirty old Kydex holster till bare metal shows and keep track of draw count.

Then we start shooting (dry) and see what round count each gun goes before choking.

Then they can go in a bucket of water (trigger locks of course lol) and detail strip and photo after a week.

All results recorded, photo'd and posted

How about it?
 
rgv said:
I've got lots of kg (and cerakote) around.

How about we dredge up a couple norc 1911's you cerakote one 100% coverage inside and out (everything but springs), and I'll KG one same same.

We assemble them dry and draw from a dirty old Kydex holster till bare metal shows and keep track of draw count.

Then we start shooting (dry) and see what round count each gun goes before choking.

Then they can go in a bucket of water (trigger locks of course lol) and detail strip and photo after a week.

All results recorded, photo'd and posted

How about it?
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Im willing to try anything but unfortunately, I don't think I can afford that much ammo. This also gets into the territory of anecdotal testing. How do you measure to make sure the tension is exactly the same in the holster and the pressure applied is exactly the same and the dirty holster is the same ? In my view only a controlled lab environment with calibrated instruments is a fair test, and that already exists, and is more accurate than anything I can do. Not to mention the dimensional and machining differences in two quality Norcs.
 
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Im willing to try anything but unfortunately, I don't think I can afford that much ammo. This also gets into the territory of anecdotal testing. How do you measure to make sure the tension is exactly the same in the holster and the pressure applied is exactly the same and the dirty holster is the same ? In my view only a controlled lab environment with calibrated instruments is a fair test, and that already exists, and is more accurate than anything I can do. Not to mention the dimensional and machining differences in two quality Norcs.
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No big deal, you draw one pistol 100 times and switch guns, using the same holster. If you need to adjust tension you do it after the same # of strokes.

What does dimension tolerances have to do with it? If it worries you we can repeat the test switching guns.

As far as ammo cost, having done this test, I know we can afford the ammo. Hint: KG 2300 was formulated to meet a US navy dry firing requirement
 
So, GunKote guy has tough guy stories, no science? I'm reading this right? Just a cool story and a need to draw. Can't say I'm sold.
 
Zedbra said:
So, GunKote guy has tough guy stories, no science? I'm reading this right? Just a cool story and a need to draw. Can't say I'm sold.
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LOL

So a proposal for a head to head comparison on real guns getting worn from real holsters, shot with real ammo, and dunked for a week in a real bucket of water is a tough guy story?

Oops I forgot this is the innanet.
 
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I'm just flabbergasted that the only info Mustangfrank has is pulled directly off of cerakotes marketing adds.

You call us out on providing science but don't provide any of your own?

How can you say my info is hearsay when I had in my hands an example of cerakote that was failing? Then coated it in kg and it lasted longer??

As I previously stated, EVERYONE IS entitled to THEIR own opinion, you have yours.....noted
We have ours.
 
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You are hilarious. Do you even read what you write ? Like I said, don't want to degrade into a p!!sing contest on a two year old thread. Your example is not really scientific. Only two of the above mentioned applicators are considered reputable and who can say why the product failed ? That has to be the most feeble attempt to discredit a product I have ever seen.

I guess Remington, Benelli, Savage, Colt, Danniel Defence, Mossberg, Browning,Sig, Drake , and pretty much every other manufacturer out there has been fooled by the cool marketing. I will let the marketplace be the judge of which product works best for them. The facts are out there for everyone to make their own opinion on. Guncoat is far from junk and is great for the home applicator. It just isn't the best finish out there. That's not an opinion.

Real world testing ? That would not prove anything if you cannot remove all the variables. A perfect example is wearing through the finish and then dunking in a bucket of water ? What does that prove. Bare metal will obviously rust on both examples. What did you learn ?

If any of the internet experts think the testing that was performed at the request of N.I.C. Industries was fake or skewed, you are most welcome to sue N.I.C. industries. If you are correct, you stand to make millions of dollars. Any takers ?

There are videos on you tube where a fellow drags his Cerakoted gun behind his truck and then rakes it against a tree, just to show how tough the finish is. This is the kind of real world testing that is pure bull and proves nothing.
 
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Real world testing ? That would not prove anything if you cannot remove all the variables. A perfect example is wearing through the finish and then dunking in a bucket of water ? What does that prove. Bare metal will obviously rust on both examples. What did you learn ?
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As I have posted in other threads, I have used both. In fact I just Cerakoted a fairly expensive custom Pre-64 Model 70 of my own.

I have my own ideas of each products strengths and weaknesses, but am not a certified applicator such as yourself.

I do believe that my proposed head to head test is entirely valid, for the simple reason that our firearms don't get exposed to ASTM tests, they get shot, drawn thousands of times from holsters, and they get wet. At least mine do.

Coating two more or less identical guns, shooting them, wearing the outer finish off in a holster, and then exposing to corrosion is entirely valid to a pistol user, and I fail to understand your resistance. I would have thought this a great way for you to showcase Cerakote.
 
I guess we don't speak the same language if you don't understand what I write so here....

https://youtu.be/sT985uFniQo

https://youtu.be/k43SXhG2tAQ

https://youtu.be/0E4SbNORexo

https://youtu.be/eb3r3XWLkMw

But let me guess, these tests aren't 'real world' because they weren't performed in your variable less environment??

I honestly don't care if you prefer Cerakote, lots of people buy Fords because the commercials say they are the best.

I used to use cerakote and actually still have a gun thats coated in it, but I now use KG because I do have real world experience with both.
 
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Seriously, thats the best you can do ?? One guy in his garage ? Well I'm sold. I'm selling everything. Good God John. I give up.

But before I do, can you just simply explain why ALL the major manufacturers chose CERAKOTE ? Don't you think they do their own testing in their own facilities and then chose the one they find the best ? Considering it's the most expensive product and the most difficult to perfect. Please just answer this one question and we're done.
 
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