CFCST off to Bisley.
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Shelldrake
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Haha... lemme clarify. Trying to keep baggage weight to a minimum -- already being charged an extra $100 each direction
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FIBUA practice went quite well I thought.However you really need to shoot it 5-6 times to get those points of aim exact.Hopefully we'll get another crack at her.Today we shoot movers and then on to the Para Cup and Henry Whitehead in the afternoon.Going to be doing lots of running in thise crazy heat.
Sounds good, hope you get another go-round at it. Looked at extended forecast for Surrey area and weather should be breaking for you guys this week... phew. Going to be hot and sticky here instead, NCRRA shoot at Connaught this coming weekend will be interesting: humidity + leather shooting jackets = blarrrgh
This afternoon we practiced a match that involves a 500m rundown.The Henry Whitehead.Here's what we are all wearing.First you have your combats and boots.The next layer is your body armour and protective plates.The armour it's self is multiple layers of kevlar.By itself it weighs probably 7-8lbs.Then we have 2 plates that go inside the armour that stop rifle rounds.Each plate is 7-8 lbs,so lets say between armour and plates we have about 21lbs.Next layer is our webbing which carries all out stuff.It must weigh at least 17.5 lbs without ammo.Most of us have a little more.Armour and webbing = 40+lbs.Now add ammo,a rifle and a stupid hemet and you end up around 55-60 lbs total.Now its over 30 here and the match is you start at 500m and run to 400 in 30 seconds and get one shot off.Then you lay there baking for 10 minutes while random targets pop up.They don't call it the agony snap for nothing.Then after thats done you run to 300m,get in a trench and fire 10 more shots.Then you get out run to 200m and when the target comes up(they are electronically run) you drop to the kneeling and blast it.Do that 9 more times for a total of 10 shots.Then off you go to 100m where you start kneeling and when the target comes up you stand up and shoot it twice for a total of 5 times.If you forgot to adjust your sight and watch the wind it may have been all for nothing because you probably ain't hitting the target after 400m.Take 10 minutes off in the blazing sun while the next relay goes and then do it all over again!I love service rifle!
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Some guys even did PT after this. Hooah! Good fit team, good shooters, we should do well.
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This year's coach is WO Dave Oakie, great guy. He's a 2x QM, Bisley and Palma team vet, and a serving soldier. He is doing a fantastic job with us. No slight to Keith and Linda or their past success but coaching and leadership of a military team is the military's job IMHO.
That's exactly why I started doing 10-mile runs.
You carry 50 + lbs of body armour on run downs?What matches are you shooting?
Ha, not yet! Hubby has suggested I wear his old flak vest while doing 2-and-10's if I want to get in shape for NSCC/CFSAC, but I think the neighbours might freak juuust a bit...
I'm curious: How do the "new" CFSAC matches compare to the comps you're doing over there? Do they provide the right kind of practice? Or does each country's Skill-at-Arms meeting (like the one just completed in Australia) have a different set of parameters for its matches?
In my opinion the matches here are somewhat over complicated and detract from the marksmanship side of things.Unless you train these regularly and have the ranges to train them regularly,you are too busy thinking about what comes next,what position,what targetry to focus on the marksmanship side of things.They are fun and a lot of work though.I believe the old CFSAC/NSCC matches are the best test of true marksmanship that I have yet come across.They are simple enough to allow people to focus if you have your #### together,yet challenging enough so as not to be too easy.Look at scores.Probably 80% of people don't break 500 points which really is the first benchmark of someone shooting at a higher level.Strangely enough at BISLEY,the mecca of combat shooting,they still shoot out to 500m and 600m with their rifles.Something some armies have decided isn't reality anymore.Making matches at shorter distances but where you have to crawl around and shoot from several different position in one string is just going to make most people focus on that aspect and not what is really important,which is the shooting.I predict less people shooting at an elite level and lower scores in general for the new CFSAC....but that's just me and my opinon which doesn't mean squat.
That's exactly why I started doing 10-mile runs.
You should be doing circuit training instead of 10 miles run. Agility and short sprints are more helpful.
Kind of sad to see that the 500m rundown got removed........we should bring it back.
Actually I agree with GT.Endurance training doesn't help for this kinda stuff.Your rundowns are short.The quicker you get you breathing back under control the better.Endurance train will help in the long run like if you shoot the BCRA Provincials where we run all 12 matches in one day.That can be exhausting,but being able to go hard for a short period then get you breath back quickly is more important for sure.You also need to know what type of breathing to employ for all the different matches.But that is another conversation altogether.
Gunnerlove
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I can run bare assed pretty well. That said it is the rundowns that are killing me. Picking yourself up off the ground or out of a trench and having 25 seconds to cover 100m and fire 1-3 shots is very demanding and the only way to train is to do it. Guess I am digging a fire trench in the yard when I get home.
I can see what they are trying to do with the matches but it all seems awkward. To many steps and slightly different shoots so you are always trying to follow the script instead of putting bullets in targets.
I can see what they are trying to do with the matches but it all seems awkward. To many steps and slightly different shoots so you are always trying to follow the script instead of putting bullets in targets.
