My apologies EU European Union since they are made in Italy ie. hulls , primers and wads are they not???
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Challenger/Cheddite warming
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My apologies EU European Union since they are made in Italy ie. hulls , primers and wads are they not???
Cheers
Nope, all hulls, primers and wads are made in France. Many French and Italian assemblers use Cheddite primed hulls and sometimes wads. Cheddite does have a manufacturing plant in Italy that assembles shells with components from France.
My point is they are not made in canada today only assembled here unlike the original challenger
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Thousands of rounds of Challenger shells fired by myself and members of local and surrounding clubs and no issues spoken of pierced primers. I’ve fired them in semi autos and both Browning and Guerrini O/U and no issues .
Like the shells and will continue to shoot them.
Likewise, have reloaded thousands of shells with Cheddite primers in AA hulls with no issue.
Suggest you have a issue with your gun and those components rather than bashing Chedditte and Challenger.
Like the shells and will continue to shoot them.
Likewise, have reloaded thousands of shells with Cheddite primers in AA hulls with no issue.
Suggest you have a issue with your gun and those components rather than bashing Chedditte and Challenger.
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You best get up to speed on this one. Even cheddite admitted to dimensional & material issues with their first runs of primers here in the early 2000's and once installed they were protruding higher than other makes
Google cheddite primers piercing and read the pages and pages
Want some problems . I think there is still 5000 faulty ones here in one of my lockers dated like 2004 or so that will help you see it
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I bet none of yours look like theses
Here is the explaination I remember at the time
The issue with Cheddite primers is centered on two areas: Thickness of the metal in the actual cap, and our application of these primers to mostly classic guns. i.e.:
The cap metal is thinner than any other 209 primer and they rest high when seated
The guns that we shoot are old and equipped with firing pins that are the proper length and tip shape for ammunition that is no longer made. This old ammo had primers seated deeper than today's cartridges, hence a longer protrusion was necessary. Also, some older firing pin tips are more conical than rounded.
Add all of this together and you get a "draw" on the cap that it cannot withstand. It will often pierce. Especially under pressure.
Cheddites might be fine in your Remington 1100 . But they are not so good in a Parker hammer gun or K32.
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Well considering they said it was just certain lot numbers effected at the time and they corrected it I am not shocked other than like I said in a earlier post I thought the problem was fixed years ago so why is it happening again now
To me it is just like shooters saying they never had an issue with the new winchester HS hulls and base separation . Only because of the lot numbers you shot and tried to reload since it was an issue in 12ga with initial batches
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I used 10’s of thousands of Cheddite primers in Remington hulls in several Browning’s with no issues. Ditto maybe 2-3000 Challengers.
Then I got a Caesar Guerini Summit Trap. Started piercing maybe 5-6 primers per box of Challengers. After about 3000 of them there was visible erosion on both firing pins. I polished about 2 thou off the pins and problem solved.
I recently traded for a CG Maxum Impact Sporting. Shot in Maine last weekend and used Challengers for the first time in the gun. At least 7/10 were pierced.
I have not had issues with Remington factory shells, or my reloads with CCI, Fiocchi, Win, or Nobel Sport primers.
Maybe the Cheddite primers and the firing pins in both Caesars I have owned are at the extreme of tolerances resulting in the piercing, but the problem seems to be specific to Cheddite in my experience.
Then I got a Caesar Guerini Summit Trap. Started piercing maybe 5-6 primers per box of Challengers. After about 3000 of them there was visible erosion on both firing pins. I polished about 2 thou off the pins and problem solved.
I recently traded for a CG Maxum Impact Sporting. Shot in Maine last weekend and used Challengers for the first time in the gun. At least 7/10 were pierced.
I have not had issues with Remington factory shells, or my reloads with CCI, Fiocchi, Win, or Nobel Sport primers.
Maybe the Cheddite primers and the firing pins in both Caesars I have owned are at the extreme of tolerances resulting in the piercing, but the problem seems to be specific to Cheddite in my experience.
All I know is I have been reloading shotgun since the 60's
Started with #57 primers. When we shot heavy there was three in the house and would buy 100 25 pound bags of lead and at least 6 12 pounders of 700x alone a year just for 12 gauge
Used remington, winchester, cci, federal 209 and 209A and cheddite primers
Only shotgun primer I ever seen pierced was Cheddite
Bottom line you don't have to alter your gun to shoot ammo
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Started with #57 primers. When we shot heavy there was three in the house and would buy 100 25 pound bags of lead and at least 6 12 pounders of 700x alone a year just for 12 gauge
Used remington, winchester, cci, federal 209 and 209A and cheddite primers
Only shotgun primer I ever seen pierced was Cheddite
Bottom line you don't have to alter your gun to shoot ammo
Cheers
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Thanks Rob. There had better not be a virus attached to that picture, because you KNOW every one of us downloaded it.. lmao
goosegetter
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- south of Hamilton
well after shooting 1000 yesterday I checked every one and NOT a single pieced primer, never seen this is a quality gun,
The only time I ever saw a pierced primer ( cheddite as its all I use) I checked my firing pin in the Krieghoff and it had developed a small spur, I polished it off and all was good.
This was recommended to me by a gunsmith friend.
Just food for thought.
This was recommended to me by a gunsmith friend.
Just food for thought.
Well - A given gun (O/U) either works with the Cheddites or it does not... I own several shotguns, and more than one consistently pierces primers on the lower barrel. This happens with different lots of Challengers, using B guns, and the nature of the piercing is the same - a failure near the edge of the primer.
So, to draw a conclusion based upon the performance of one gun is misleading...
So, to draw a conclusion based upon the performance of one gun is misleading...
But it was not one gun or make of gun when this issue was identified way back
They said they being Cheddite corrected it and it was limited to set lots and now it seems to be happening again like 10 years plus later
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M12shooter
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- East St. Paul, mb
Cheddites are cheap and thats all that is good about them. For all that have never seen a pierced primer, i challenge you to look closely at spent casings.
Challenger primers pierced in about 20% of the shots fired with my Blaser F-3. They aren't easy to see, just a small dark spot where the gases leaked through.
Maritime Storm
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- Riverview, NB
It depends on the gun, both my Winchesters and my Browning will pierce them, my Benelli on the other hand digests them with no issues. I stopped loading them when bought my Winchesters to avoid the issue altogether, better to switch to Winchester 209's than to risk downtime waiting for firing pins.
