changing 30-06 over to 35 whelen???

struff55 said:
well gents that's all fine and good i will shoot the 30-06 with 180 -200 gr and out do both the cartridges you speak of i drive a 200 gr bullet at 2800 fps out of a 24" bbl that out performs the cartridge you speak of
but really practically out to 400 yds they are all the same
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Tell me about this 200gr bullet at 2800 fps business. Some time ago I had downloaded a bunch of data from a fellow that pressure tested higher than SAAMI spec loads. For 200gr they used a Partition an VV165, RL22, IMR4831, H4831 and MRP. He went to between 63,000 and +66,000 PSI max and got between 2671 and 2752 FPS. The fastest was VV165 and it produced that velocity at 66,800 PSI.

Sorry for the hijack!
 
Dan Belisle
"Guntech is correct"

Actually No he is not. He stated "but the .338-06 shoots flatter and retains more energy at all distances. It is a superior performance," which is flat out incorrect. With equal grain bullets the 06 starts out with less energy and velocity than the 35W and stays that way throughout its path of travel.
A simple read of any reloading manual shows the differences between the 2 quite clearly. Plug 225 or 250 gr bullets into both and the resulting data is quite conclusive.
I'm not arguing 338 BC's and SDs and really, who cares? If I wanted the advantages of both attributes I'd buy a 338wm and load more fitting brass so I could enjoy its potential. Simply, bigger bullets, with larger frontal diameters, carrying more speed/energy. Pretty basic stuff. And since you're a fan of "bigger hole better" then the .358 wins there as well no?
338-06 has had its day and truthfully is fading into obscurity while the 35 Whelen still has a loyal following. Lots of reasons for that.
 
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270AB said:
I'm not arguing 338 BC's and SDs and really, who cares?
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those are what dictate ballistics for a bullet/cartridge so, yes i care
put a .338 and a .358 bullet with same bc/sd out the barrel at the same speed and look at the stats
apples/apples
they share the same case capacity so speeds are going to be similar, 338-06 would have to be faster to be better
imo,bwdik
 
270AB said:
Dan Belisle
"Guntech is correct"

Actually No he is not. He stated "but the .338-06 shoots flatter and retains more energy at all distances. It is a superior performance," which is flat out incorrect. With equal grain bullets the 06 starts out with less energy and velocity than the 35W and stays that way throughout its path of travel.
A simple read of any reloading manual shows the differences between the 2 quite clearly. Plug 225 or 250 gr bullets into both and the resulting data is quite conclusive.
I'm not arguing 338 BC's and SDs and really, who cares? If I wanted the advantages of both attributes I'd buy a 338wm and load more fitting brass so I could enjoy its potential. Simply, bigger bullets, with larger frontal diameters, carrying more speed/energy. Pretty basic stuff. And since you're a fan of "bigger hole better" then the .358 wins there as well no?
338-06 has had its day and truthfully is fading into obscurity while the 35 Whelen still has a loyal following. Lots of reasons for that.
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If you're not going to look at SD etc, then it won't make any difference to you at all. Enjoy. - dan
 
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338-06/35 Whelan.

Just pick the flavor you like best.

35 cal bullets tend to be slightly more expensive and more difficult to find than 338 bullets.

35 Whelan headstamped brass and factory ammo are available, but not in most shops or even big box outlets.

Nobody manufactures 338-06 cases anymore, but you might be able to find some that were made by Weatherby, stamped them "338-06 A Square"

A Square, a defunct company, tried to legitimise the excellent 338 OKH, named after O'Neil, Keith, and Hopkins.

A Square made up rifles on order, chambered on sporterised Pattern 17 actions. Weatherby chambered some rifles for it as well.

It never took off.

It didn't really have much to offer over the 35 Whelan, which already had a large following, other than, at the time, a much better selection of bullets readily available for the 338, which still seems to be the case.

Cases are easily necked up from "new" 30-06 cases in one pass through standard two piece 338-06 dies, or necked down from 35 Whelan cases just as easily.

You won't be disappointed with either.
 
I would choose the Whelen over the 338, and would be tempted to do a rebarrel in 9.3
I sold all my .338 bores and have 2 35 Whelen’s and a 9.3x62 left. But I sought any critter would know the difference if the shot was correctly placed
 
270AB said:
Huh? 338 06 bullet weight is higher? SD is the only aspect 338 06 beats 35W at and so what? Whelen shoots bigger bullets better than the 06 and hits with a lot more energy.

Please post your 06 comparatives to the 35W using 225 and 250 gr bullets. Or you could post all of the higher energy stats with same bullet size as 35W.

Maybe the most important stat is where the 2 chamberings sit today. The A Square is basically extinct. The Whelen just keeps chugging along.
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I had both and when doing alot of custom hand loads. The 35w stomps a mod hole in 8-06 .. and in my experience flattens larger game ie) elk,moose,large black bear much better.
 
Theoretical? :). 35W = considerably higher velocities with same weight bullets. Considerably higher energy with same weight bullets. Larger frontal diameters = greater expansion. What else should we discuss? Bullet selection discussion is weak sauce. I count 2 TSX’s from Barnes, 6 Hornady, 3 Noslers, 3 Hot-Cors from Speer, 2 Sierras — a 200 RN and a 225 SBT. Woodleigh lists 11 bullets in .358. How many can a person load and shoot practically?

I get you probably own an A Square and both it and the 35W are nice cartridges but the A Square is just not as capable of same same.

It'd be like me purporting the 35W to be superior to the the 375 H&H. It just isn't and at some point one needs to accept that
 
mercmatty said:
I had both and when doing alot of custom hand loads. The 35w stomps a mod hole in 8-06 .. and in my experience flattens larger game ie) elk,moose,large black bear much better.
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I have no axe to grind with 338-06 whatsoever but you're correct. Larger dia bullets traveling faster with more energy retained to longer distances will do that.
 
270AB said:
Theoretical? :). 35W = considerably higher velocities with same weight bullets. Considerably higher energy with same weight bullets. Larger frontal diameters = greater expansion. What else should we discuss? Bullet selection discussion is weak sauce. I count 2 TSX’s from Barnes, 6 Hornady, 3 Noslers, 3 Hot-Cors from Speer, 2 Sierras — a 200 RN and a 225 SBT. Woodleigh lists 11 bullets in .358. How many can a person load and shoot practically?

I get you probably own an A Square and both it and the 35W are nice cartridges but the A Square is just not as capable of same same.

It'd be like me purporting the 35W to be superior to the the 375 H&H. It just isn't and at some point one needs to accept that
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I own a 338-06, and have owned two 35 Whelens. Still currently use a 350 Rem Mag, built on a long action which slightly surpasses my 35 Whelens in terms of velocities. And your arguments are ludicrous at this point. - dan
 
dan belisle said:
I own a 338-06, and have owned two 35 Whelens. Still currently use a 350 Rem Mag, built on a long action which slightly surpasses my 35 Whelens in terms of velocities. And your arguments are ludicrous at this point. - dan
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Yet I haven't seen you directly dispute one of them. So the A Square shoots same bullets faster/further/ and with more energy than 35 Whelen. Case closed per Danny B.

There's cartridge/bullet/load comparators out there if you ever cared to look.
 
270AB said:
Yet I haven't seen you directly dispute one of them. So the A Square shoots same bullets faster/further/ and with more energy than 35 Whelen. Case closed per Danny B.

There's cartridge/bullet/load comparators out there if you ever cared to look.
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Seriously? Look at the sd's of a 250 gr 338 bullet and 250 gr 358 bullet, then calculate the downrange capabilities. SMH. Are you just here to argue? We already have one of those, we don't need more. - dan
 
I'm the arguer? I'm stating well known fact. You aren't addressing it at all. Jyst..I own 2 ASquares so they're the best. Only thing I said about SDs was Of Course the .338 projectiles have better but you still haven't disputed velocity and energy Dan. I'm going to assume you're acknowledging the original poster who spouted the 06 was superior in both areas was flat out wrong. Fact is once the yardage nears 350 yds using the ASquare and 250s is pretty much a waste of time and 225s out of a Whelen are even more out of proportion Guess you're thinking those SDs make up for the fall off in killing power in the A tho.

Whelen still superior at velocity/ energy/ and killing power at ALL yardages and if you really didn't care for 358 bullet offerings your pet wouldn't be a .350.
 
You want to try a big stopper? It's my 444 Marlin. I have it in a Marlin rifle. My moose was about 85 yards away. I'd called him into a clearing. He was yelling "where is she, where is she? I raised my rifle to his chest and fired. The big bull turned to run and dropped in his tracks. The 400 grain round nose had stopped him before he could change his mind. That's the story and I'm sticking to it. If you want a sure kill try a big, slow moving slug in the chest. Try that, with a home sighted Leopold 1.5X5 on it. You wil stop worrying about MOA micro accuracy and loctiting your scope screws!
 
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