For myself I am willing to pay because I can build a NR rifle with the existing massive amount of parts available to bolt on and drop in with no modification at a budget that I decide after acquiring the receivers.
Chat with CFP on Maccabee Defense receiver set
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For myself I am willing to pay because I can build a NR rifle with the existing massive amount of parts available to bolt on and drop in with no modification at a budget that I decide after acquiring the receivers.
Non-restricted? You'd have to source a long 9mm barrel. Unless you were prepared to use tools to change barrels, you'd have to source a second upper - which has yet to be offered. The matched sets won't be available for months.
Incidentally, the 9mm parts you'd need don't come cheap.
Considering I will have paid less (total, including taxes/shipping) for two entire, brand name AR's - with rebates - and the associated swag/magazine/box/etc than a single SLR stripped upper/lower.. ya, the pricing is definitely up there. I know about recouping costs and whatnot, but that is pretty ridiculous. However, people will buy for the NR status, so good on the manufacturer for putting these out there at a price they can/will sell for.
As for M+M, this SLR being brought to the market is going to seriously impact them.. apart from them already impacting themselves.
For me, i was only mildly interested in the M+M rifle when it was $1450. Although not interested enough to get in on Wanstalls pre order. When they changed the price to $2000, I lost any and all interest.
This reciver interests me and I think the price is fair considering what they have accomplished, ( a NR reciever that accepts readily available AR15 parts) so I have no problem paying for it.
And besides, a person could assemble a rifle using this upper and lower for the same or less than the M+M rifle.
It all comes down to what interests me.
I think once the reciever set sales slow down they can focus on producing finished rifles, andif they can do that for around $2000 they will sell plenty. They could also start selling just uppers to the guys that bought the set, becuase we know people are going to want to have multiple chamberings.
speedjunkiesracing
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onetwentyish
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Is there a NR tax on these? And if there is, is it alot? I mean when we break it down that a short ACR forend is $300, and a long one cloosing in on $400, or the T97.ca FTU is $330, and the LHG is $400.
Maching isn't cheap. Many AR's are cast for this reason, and that along with a large number of consumers allows for more economical production of a reciever set.
Facts about M+M in chronological order.
-Canada Ammo imported a sample under a different corporate name and worked to achieve the desired status on the basis that they would get distribution.
-Wanstalls thought CA's front for importing the rifle had lost interest in the project and began working on the project as well.
-FRT was issued NR
-Wanstalls launched presale at $1450cad assuming stiff market competition after discussions with M+M not planning to have a distributor north of the border meaning all shops could order direct.
-M+M put a hault on preorders stating that pricing and import needed to be assessed further, vows to make good on them
-M+M US MSRP quietly goes up, although not un noticed
-M+M and North Sylva announce partnership for distribution, and a Canadian MSRP of $2000 (a 38% $550 price increase over Wanstalls preorder)
-The Canadian model gets a special "DMR" designation, and suddenly the feature list is "Match" everything, safeties are no exception - as a way to justify the price hike
-M+M tells Wanstalls they are on their own dealing with North Sylva, and will not honor their vow to make good on the preorders
Here is what MDI have done so far:
-new SLR announced NR
-CSC will carry stripped reciever sets for $1000
Tell me which business model deserves to be chastised more?
To conclude, NR tax aimt the only thing that bit M+M, and in my opinion it was the least concerning thing that happened with them. It also didn't help that they cozied up to a distributor that allready has a rep to be wary of, while shafting an excellent one that did all the ground work.
MDI hasn't done anything wrong thus far although I do feel the prices are $2-300 to high, but competitioon and demand what it is, who are we to argue. If its to expensive, dont buy it. Same with the M10x, but it comes with extra baggage too.
yeah, I commented on this too in another thread, price brake on sets that want additional uppers would be cool.
Patt08
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Well said. I agree that $1000 does seem a bit high. But that being said having a NR AR that I have all the parts and tools to work on myself, and not to mention the plethora of available aftermarket stuff is worth a few hundred bucks to me.
onetwentyish
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Agreed, but it is preferable if I can buy a product at a fair price vs an elevated one due to the lack of competition. I am hopefull the rumors of a BCL NR 5.56 are true. If not I will get a BCL 102 and a MDI SLR.
