Chat with CFP on Maccabee Defense receiver set

.22 upper for SLR...
An AR .22 conversion kit should fit.
Alter the kit by removing the chamber insert, and make a dedicated .22 barrel.
It has been done for ARs, to create dedicated rimfire uppers; no reason it couldn't be done for the SLR.
Yet another FaRT entry.
 
tiriaq said:
Stop and think about this for a moment...
Why would they even list the receiver set as .223/5.56 and .223 Wylde?
As a receiver set that has never been assembled into a functioning firearm, the thing has no caliber.
If they feel compelled to list calibers, why not just list every conceivable caliber that would fit the frame. They should even consider inline muzzle loading versions.
There seems to be an OCD fixation on fattening the FaRT.
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AFAIK the verification process requires the firearm to be sent into the lab, I'd hunch that a .223/5.56x45/.223 Wylde model was slapped together and sent off for verification at the lab. And AFAIK they simply don't allow a firearm to be "multi" caliber.
 
Xero said:
AFAIK the verification process requires the firearm to be sent into the lab, I'd hunch that a .223/5.56x45/.223 Wylde model was slapped together and sent off for verification at the lab. And AFAIK they simply don't allow a firearm to be "multi" caliber.
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The SLR receiver set is classified as non-restricted. As long as barrel and overall length limits are observed, the thing stays non-restricted.
Buy a SLR set, assemble whatever non-restricted rifle you choose. There is no verification, no requirement to submit the thing for inspection.
Don't know what you mean when you say they don't allow a firearm to be "multi" caliber.
No approval is needed, nor is there a reporting requirement if the caliber of a non-restricted firearm is changed.
 
tiriaq said:
The SLR receiver set is classified as non-restricted. As long as barrel and overall length limits are observed, the thing stays non-restricted.
Buy a SLR set, assemble whatever non-restricted rifle you choose. There is no verification, no requirement to submit the thing for inspection.
Don't know what you mean when you say they don't allow a firearm to be "multi" caliber.
No approval is needed, nor is there a reporting requirement if the caliber of a non-restricted firearm is changed.
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From an FRT perspective, the FRT does not have provisions to allow for firearms to be able to be multi cal. In their eyes, it either a 5.56 or a 6.5 of a specific barrel length. Which ever came first is the parent FRT entry, any other calibers or barrel lengths require additional child FRT entries.

That said there is no legal requirement to report a new caliber/length change to the CFC if the rifle remains NR to my knowledge, but it could cause some confusion in the field when stopped by a conservation officer and he cant find your firearm in the FRT system.
 
WTF would anyone buy this $1000 NR approved receiver set and then build a restricted firearm. With no end to cheaper AR receivers wouldn't it be a little redundant?
 
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onetwentyish said:
From an FRT perspective, the FRT does not have provisions to allow for firearms to be able to be multi cal. In their eyes, it either a 5.56 or a 6.5 of a specific barrel length. Which ever came first is the parent FRT entry, any other calibers or barrel lengths require additional child FRT entries.

That said there is no legal requirement to report a new caliber/length change to the CFC if the rifle remains NR to my knowledge, but it could cause some confusion in the field when stopped by a conservation officer and he cant find your firearm in the FRT system.
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You are correct. The FaRT attempts to list every possible permutation and combination possible, probable or conceivable. True OCD.
 
tiriaq said:
You are correct. The FaRT attempts to list every possible permutation and combination possible, probable or conceivable. True OCD.
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Just really poor design that didn't compensate for the fact that many models come in an infinite number of possible variations. Im positive the lab would really rather do something other then just collect useless data.





Scratch that, thats what their jobs rely on.
 
Let me get this straight....people see no issue in paying $1000 for two cnc'd pieces of metal, same pieces of metal that can be had for $200 in a slightly different shape, but are saying #### YOU! to M+M for upping the prices to from $1500 to $2000 for A COMPLETE FIREARM!?

I'm not defending M+M, they are scum for trying to do what they are doing, but somehow its "ooooh, its cool, the manufacturer has to recoup his costs...." when it comes to this??

CGN, i swear its the twilight zone in here sometimes....
 
Red_Liner740 said:
Let me get this straight....people see no issue in paying $1000 for two cnc'd pieces of metal, same pieces of metal that can be had for $200 in a slightly different shape, but are saying #### YOU! to M+M for upping the prices to from $1500 to $2000 for A COMPLETE FIREARM!?

I'm not defending M+M, they are scum for trying to do what they are doing, but somehow its "ooooh, its cool, the manufacturer has to recoup his costs...." when it comes to this??

CGN, i swear its the twilight zone in here sometimes....
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But it looks like an AR?

But seriously, they are upfront about the bend over NR tax, M+M and that story is very shady and greasy. And this can be made to any AR15 caliber you want, not just x39. And it’s fully customizable through the millions of AR parts available. Lots of pros, 1 pricey con. I will admit I’m waiting for user end reviews before buying though. I’m not a beta tester with firearms.
 
Red_Liner740 said:
Let me get this straight....people see no issue in paying $1000 for two cnc'd pieces of metal, same pieces of metal that can be had for $200 in a slightly different shape, but are saying #### YOU! to M+M for upping the prices to from $1500 to $2000 for A COMPLETE FIREARM!?

I'm not defending M+M, they are scum for trying to do what they are doing, but somehow its "ooooh, its cool, the manufacturer has to recoup his costs...." when it comes to this??

CGN, i swear its the twilight zone in here sometimes....
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well no thats not it, I don't want to rehash the past, cause frankly I'm fed up of that topic but here it is in a nutshell:

MDI stated 1000$ up front and it's 1000$ at csc, no gap no insults

M+M started with (officially, non officially, who really knows) Wanstalls at 1500$, now it's with NS at 2000$, then started insulting canadians online, gap of 500$ + being insulted
 
Red_Liner740 said:
Let me get this straight....people see no issue in paying $1000 for two cnc'd pieces of metal, same pieces of metal that can be had for $200 in a slightly different shape, but are saying #### YOU! to M+M for upping the prices to from $1500 to $2000 for A COMPLETE FIREARM!?

I'm not defending M+M, they are scum for trying to do what they are doing, but somehow its "ooooh, its cool, the manufacturer has to recoup his costs...." when it comes to this??

CGN, i swear its the twilight zone in here sometimes....
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MDI were to offer the same receiver set down south at $500 US while maintain the Canadian price at $1000, than that would be more like what M+M has done.
 
Red_Liner740 said:
Let me get this straight....people see no issue in paying $1000 for two cnc'd pieces of metal, same pieces of metal that can be had for $200 in a slightly different shape, but are saying #### YOU! to M+M for upping the prices to from $1500 to $2000 for A COMPLETE FIREARM!?

I'm not defending M+M, they are scum for trying to do what they are doing, but somehow its "ooooh, its cool, the manufacturer has to recoup his costs...." when it comes to this??

CGN, i swear its the twilight zone in here sometimes....
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This upper/lower combo solves more problems than the M10x. People will happily throw their money to who ever solves more problems.

Another thing about this upper/lower set is that MacCabbee Defense could have easily made a whole NR rifle and sold it at $2,###.xx (people would have lost their minds if that happened), but they chose to let us make whatever we wanted, with what ever budget. Unlike BCL, where you pay $1,750 and more $$$ just to get it to run right/reliably, this upper/lower combo is a win with the end user in mind. You can build this rifle between $1,800-3,000, depending on what you want.

M10x is completely proprietary, other than the magazine, brake, grip & trigger. M10x is regarded as the "modern lego build your own type gun" of the AK world where you don't have to deal with rivets and reverse engineering 1 time build techniques.

The SLR is essentially an AR, where you have mountains of parts at competitive prices opening a world of build your own lego gun. Anyone who is gonna run these guns past 10,000 rounds will be happier choosing an AR over the M10x.

My 0.02
 
Ok, so I am a complete AR noob. While i would of course have rather seen a lower price I am finding the option to build what I want appealing. So my question is can I build this into a 9mm "AR"? And how hard would it be to then switch back to 223 if and when I wanted to?
 
hbean said:
MDI were to offer the same receiver set down south at $500 US while maintain the Canadian price at $1000, than that would be more like what M+M has done.
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This. The big problem I had with m+m wasn't the price, but rather the sudden price jack south of the border as well as the sudden creation of "DMR" status to attempt to disguise the price hike.

The other thing to recognize is that the m10x was profitable at its old low price stateside. They seen an opportunity to exploit us when there was no reason for an increase in price. MDI on the other hand made this design specifically for our small market, and can not sell it stateside as the US will not allow direct import. (922r)

Due to the even smaller market than the M10x, and the cost of other machined aluminum parts in canada (RPM Tool, T97.ca/M14.ca, ATRS), its safe to say these really are not out of line, although they are steep.
 
The first few hundred receivers will sell quickly to the die hards on this site. ...the average Joe hasn't even heard of the BCL 102 yet I question how many will consider a 1k stripped receiver set.
 
So in this case we're ok with NR tax because they were upfront about it?

I'm excited for it, but not at those prices. Good luck to them, hope they can squeeze every last dollar out of us, but be honest about it, so its all cool....hopefully down the line the prices will become more realistic.
 
tsarmn said:
This upper/lower combo solves more problems than the M10x. People will happily throw their money to who ever solves more problems.

Another thing about this upper/lower set is that MacCabbee Defense could have easily made a whole NR rifle and sold it at $2,###.xx (people would have lost their minds if that happened), but they chose to let us make whatever we wanted, with what ever budget. Unlike BCL, where you pay $1,750 and more $$$ just to get it to run right/reliably, this upper/lower combo is a win with the end user in mind. You can build this rifle between $1,800-3,000, depending on what you want.

M10x is completely proprietary, other than the magazine, brake, grip & trigger. M10x is regarded as the "modern lego build your own type gun" of the AK world where you don't have to deal with rivets and reverse engineering 1 time build techniques.

The SLR is essentially an AR, where you have mountains of parts at competitive prices opening a world of build your own lego gun. Anyone who is gonna run these guns past 10,000 rounds will be happier choosing an AR over the M10x.

My 0.02
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Also, MacCabbee is not responsible for sourcing all the smaller parts they don't make or getting a rifle to actually function with all the hundreds off brand aftermarket parts out there. Ditto for ammo choices. If the uppers/lowers are dimensionally correct, don't fall apart, and the finish coating stays on, no customer service department required. All the common faults will be the "builder's" problem. The same as buying a kit car or airplane. Genius from a business plan point of view. For this product they could say they are CNC company, not gunsmiths.
 
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