Chat with CFP on Maccabee Defense receiver set

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I decided to call and chat with the CFP Technicians today on the new Maccabee Defense receiver set. Apparently I am not the only one since as soon as I mentioned my topic I was told lots of calls are coming in. Here is what I was told.

The receiver set is listed as non-restricted currently for calibres .223/.556 and .223 Wylde. It will be sold as non-restricted. If you build it with a non-restricted barrel, it remains non-restricted and does not require verification or registration. If you build it with a restricted barrel, it becomes restricted and does require verification and registration.

They also acknowledge the receiver set can be built to support different calibres such as 300 Blackout and 6.5 Grendel. As soon as someone builds any alternate calibre configuration they ask that you call in and have the new calibre added so they can update their records.
 
Stop and think about this for a moment...
Why would they even list the receiver set as .223/5.56 and .223 Wylde?
As a receiver set that has never been assembled into a functioning firearm, the thing has no caliber.
If they feel compelled to list calibers, why not just list every conceivable caliber that would fit the frame. They should even consider inline muzzle loading versions.
There seems to be an OCD fixation on fattening the FaRT.
 
My question is, can I build a 22LR AR with a short barrel, as long as it has a 26” OAL? Then buy another upper when available and make a 18.6” 223/556 or 300blk upper later.
 
Kratos said:
My question is, can I build a 22LR AR with a short barrel, as long as it has a 26” OAL? Then buy another upper when available and make a 18.6” 223/556 or 300blk upper later.
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it's a semi automatic, it needs to be 18.5 inches to be non restricted. If it is less than 18.5 inches barrel it is restricted, more than 18.5 inches barrel it is non restricted, pretty simple
 
There is no minimum barrel length for a .22rf rifle; only the overall length requirement applies. That is why there are the short 10/22s.
So, a .22 would be n-r as long as the overall length of the firearm exceeds the minimum when the firearm is at its shortest fireable length.
A centerfire would have to meet two conditions for n-r status: barrel length and overall length.
 
Kratos said:
My question is, can I build a 22LR AR with a short barrel, as long as it has a 26” OAL? Then buy another upper when available and make a 18.6” 223/556 or 300blk upper later.
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You sure could.
mikethebike said:
it's a semi automatic, it needs to be 18.5 inches to be non restricted. If it is less than 18.5 inches barrel it is restricted, more than 18.5 inches barrel it is non restricted, pretty simple
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Rim fire, mr bike, rim fire.
 
mikethebike said:
it's a semi automatic, it needs to be 18.5 inches to be non restricted. If it is less than 18.5 inches barrel it is restricted, more than 18.5 inches barrel it is non restricted, pretty simple
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With semi-auto 22LR is doesn’t have to have the 18.6” barrel, there are many examples of non-restricteds in country of this. Rimfire in some cases has its own laws, that’s why I asked. Pretty simple.

tiriaq said:
There is no minimum barrel length for a .22rf rifle; only the overall length requirement applies. That is why there are the short 10/22s.
So, a .22 would be n-r as long as the overall length of the firearm exceeds the minimum when the firearm is at its shortest fireable length.
A centerfire would have to meet two conditions for n-r status: barrel length and overall length.
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Thank you sir!
 
handofzeus said:
Tiriaq=brilliance!!! An AR muzzleloader! After taking the Hawken out a week ago I have an itch for the black powder stuff. Now, to stock up on "assault" balls, powder and patches!!:cool:
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Hinge open, insert 209 primer, and away you go...

Just think - you could set up an AR like this, and have a registered, restricted muzzle loading rifle...
It would almost be worth doing, just so an additional FaRT entry could be made...
 
tiriaq said:
Stop and think about this for a moment...
Why would they even list the receiver set as .223/5.56 and .223 Wylde?
As a receiver set that has never been assembled into a functioning firearm, the thing has no caliber.
If they feel compelled to list calibers, why not just list every conceivable caliber that would fit the frame. They should even consider inline muzzle loading versions.
There seems to be an OCD fixation on fattening the FaRT.
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The Verification process includes listing Calibre/Shot/Barrel Length Combinations.
 
Indeed, why not just say multi caliber .. this is odd.
tiriaq said:
Stop and think about this for a moment...
Why would they even list the receiver set as .223/5.56 and .223 Wylde?
As a receiver set that has never been assembled into a functioning firearm, the thing has no caliber.
If they feel compelled to list calibers, why not just list every conceivable caliber that would fit the frame. They should even consider inline muzzle loading versions.
There seems to be an OCD fixation on fattening the FaRT.
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Why would you want to go through the verification process for a non-restricted rifle you assembled on a receiver set not subject to registration?
Descriptors are recorded for restricted firearms. There is no reporting requirement for non-restricted ones.
 
mikethebike said:
it's a semi automatic, it needs to be 18.5 inches to be non restricted. If it is less than 18.5 inches barrel it is restricted, more than 18.5 inches barrel it is non restricted, pretty simple
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As duece duece said, no barrel length regs on rimfire long arms as long as barrels are factory made if shorter than 18".

I cant see a short rimfire barrel making the SLR restricted as it would be a rimfire rifle so at that point rimfire laws should apply. Just as long as it stays above the 26" OAL
 
onetwentyish said:
As duece duece said, no barrel length regs on rimfire long arms as long as barrels are factory made if shorter than 18".

I cant see a short rimfire barrel making the SLR restricted as it would be a rimfire rifle so at that point rimfire laws should apply.
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Yes exactly, I was wrong
But that's a really really interesting point...
So what makes a rifle a rim fire rifle? The bolt?
 
Strictly speaking, the DA kit fits AR lowers, or can be modified to fit the ATR n-r lower.
Maybe a DA kit could be designed which would fit the Maccabee lower.
 
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