Cheap 30-30 Recipe

OkayShooter said:
What about Reddot powder? as unique is near impossible to find.

I think I read about 8grn
Click to expand...

The LOAD is 13 grs

“The Load” I was referring to, is very well known to advanced reloaders, to use in reduced rifle loads.

I was mentioning “The Load” because the question came up what about reloading reduced loads with Red Dot Powder.

The Load should NOT be used in 30-30, as a matter of fact, and if you read the articles, you should be aware:

1. The case must be LARGER than the .30-40 Krag, and have a normal working pressure greater than 40,000 psi. The No. 4 Enfield in .303 Brit is OK, the 1896 Krag is not!

2. The rifle must be of MODERN (post 1898 design, suitable for smokeless powder, with a bore size of .30 cal. or larger.

3. The bullet weight must be within the NORMAL range for the given cartridge.

4. Inert fillers such as Dacron, kapok or are NOT RECOMMENDED! (Nor are they necessary).



https://www.hensleygibbs.com/edharris/articles/The%20Load.htm

https://forum.castbulletassoc.org/thread/1417-a-load-is-13-grains-of-red-dot/
 
Last edited:
Desjard said:
I know, nothing cheap about shooting these days but....

Looking for a cheap 30-30 load, a decent bullet and power recommendation. Maybe Hornady interlocks?

Mostly for plinking and shooting porcupines. I have ammo I would hunt big game with. My dad's winter fun is to snowmobile around the farm shooting porcupines, he smoked 16 last year lol.
Click to expand...

For plinking Unique or Trail Boss are among your cheapest options with the 150-170gr bullet of your choice (cast bullets will be the cheapest - I like 165gr). At 7ish grains of powder a can will last a long long time. For a hunting load, it's hard to beat 3031 - not the cheapest powder, but not the most expensive either.
 
Last edited:
OkayShooter said:
The load in 30/30 is a good way of needing a new gun, a change of underwear and long road to recovery.

Like said, 8-9grn is max for 30/30. My manual says 8.5 is max. So the load be 4.5grn over max.
Click to expand...

!!!!!!!!You must read the article first, before you start reloading!!!!!!!

1. The case must be LARGER than the .30-40 Krag, and have a normal working pressure greater than 40,000 psi. The No. 4 Enfield in .303 Brit is OK, the 1896 Krag is not!

2. The rifle must be of MODERN (post 1898 design, suitable for smokeless powder, with a bore size of .30 cal. or larger.

3. The bullet weight must be within the NORMAL range for the given cartridge.

4. Inert fillers such as Dacron, kapok or are NOT RECOMMENDED! (Nor are they necessary).
 
partial said:
!!!!!!!!You must read the article first, before you start reloading!!!!!!!

1. The case must be LARGER than the .30-40 Krag, and have a normal working pressure greater than 40,000 psi. The No. 4 Enfield in .303 Brit is OK, the 1896 Krag is not!

2. The rifle must be of MODERN (post 1898 design, suitable for smokeless powder, with a bore size of .30 cal. or larger.

3. The bullet weight must be within the NORMAL range for the given cartridge.

4. Inert fillers such as Dacron, kapok or are NOT RECOMMENDED! (Nor are they necessary).
Click to expand...

A newbie telling someone thats been loading for 20 years. There is a huge difference in 30-40 and 30-30. Guess Lyman are stupid as they list max is 8.5grn for the 30-30 using red dot powder. Maybe rather then trying to prove me wrong. You research the difference.

30-30 pressure is less than 30-40. And 30-40 case is about the size of 303 British. 30-30 is less than 308. I never once seen anyone use the load in 30-30.

20231127_142026.jpg

I backed off the load with 308 to 12grn as I started to see pressure signs at 13. And I was using a modern Savage 12.
 

Attachments

  • 20231127_142026.jpg
    20231127_142026.jpg
    59.1 KB · Views: 100
Last edited:
OkayShooter said:
A newbie telling someone thats been loading for 20 years. There is a huge difference in 30-40 and 30-30. Guess Lyman are stupid as they list max is 8.5grn for the 30-30 using red dot powder. Maybe rather then trying to prove me wrong. You research the difference.

30-30 pressure is less than 30-40. And 30-40 case is about the size of 303 British. 30-30 is less than 308. I never once seen anyone use the load in 30-30.

View attachment 726001

I backed off the load with 308 to 12grn as I started to see pressure signs at 13. And I was using a modern Savage 12.
Click to expand...

The one you call a newbie has been reloading for over 40 years already.

One thing the newbie is really good at is reading and comprehending, you however do not master any of those skills, therefore whatever you do is extremely hazardous!!!!!!!
 
partial said:
The one you call a newbie has been reloading for over 40 years already.

One thing the newbie is really good at is reading and comprehending, you however do not master any of those skills, therefore whatever you do is extremely hazardous!!!!!!!
Click to expand...


So, doesn't mean you been doing it right.

Except
1. The case must be LARGER than the .30-40 Krag,
Click to expand...

30-30 is smaller than 30-40. So there for its not safe to do so according to the rules Ed posted. Pretty much showing you cannot read worth ####.

Whatever #### tard, more people will agree with me, than you. As there is nobody saying that they use the load in 3030 with most saying max 9. So you are spreading dangerous loading advice. Wonder if you are Sunray 2.0?

How am what I'm saying is dangerous? You shoot a load 4.5 grn greater than what some manuals list. AS Ed Harris never once lists 30-30 as being safe. Oh and has to be a pre post 1898 design. I see alot of 3030 being pre 1898..Marlin 1894, Winchester 94.

So Rule 1 doesnt meet the criteria.
Rule 2. Alot of 3030 are pre 1898 Design..
 
Last edited:
partial said:
I use only Large pistol primers now (large rifle primers are hard to find, the ones I have I'll keep for full power loads), but for reduced loads:
  • 308 Winchester
  • 30-30
  • 30-06
  • 303 British
  • 7.65 Argentine
  • 7.5 Swiss
Click to expand...

Oh If you read what Ed post about the load. He says not to use pistol primers, as you can get erratic burns.

But hey I guess I cannot read.

I DO NOT recommend pistol primers in reduced rifle loads, because weak primers may cause erratic ignition, and their thinner cups can perforate more easily, causing gas leakage and risk of personal injury!
Click to expand...
 
Brutus said:
Partial.

You failed. And not even partially.
Click to expand...

OkayShooter said:
So, doesn't mean you been doing it right.

Except


30-30 is smaller than 30-40. So there for its not safe to do so according to the rules Ed posted. Pretty much showing you cannot read worth ####.

Whatever #### tard, more people will agree with me, than you. As there is nobody saying that they use the load in 3030 with most saying max 9. So you are spreading dangerous loading advice. Wonder if you are Sunray 2.0?

How am what I'm saying is dangerous? You shoot a load 4.5 grn greater than what some manuals list. AS Ed Harris never once lists 30-30 as being safe. Oh and has to be a pre post 1898 design. I see alot of 3030 being pre 1898..Marlin 1894, Winchester 94.

So Rule 1 doesnt meet the criteria.
Rule 2. Alot of 3030 are pre 1898 Design..
Click to expand...

Suther said:
lol
Click to expand...

For all the starters who didn't pay attention in school:


1. The case must be LARGER than the .30-40 Krag, and have a normal working pressure greater than 40,000 psi. The No. 4 Enfield in .303 Brit is OK, the 1896 Krag is not!

This will disqualify the 30-30, but you must be able to read and comprehend to get it!

2. The rifle must be of MODERN (post 1898 design, suitable for smokeless powder, with a bore size of .30 cal. or larger.

This will disqualify the 30-40 Krag, as it was implemented in 1892, but you must be able to read and comprehend to get it!

3. The bullet weight must be within the NORMAL range for the given cartridge.

you must possess basic skills in literacy to comprehend, which you clearly don't have to get it!

4. Inert fillers such as Dacron, kapok or are NOT RECOMMENDED! (Nor are they necessary).

you must possess basic skills in literacy to comprehend, which you clearly don't have to get it!

Never did I say that this load should be used in 30-30.

You claim to be an "experienced" loader, if that is the case, you should have heard about the Load, a lot of people are swearing by, but you must possess basic skills in literacy to comprehend, which you clearly don't have to get it!

I put this information into large and bold font, hopefully this helps.
 
partial said:
For all the starters who didn't pay attention in school:


1. The case must be LARGER than the .30-40 Krag, and have a normal working pressure greater than 40,000 psi. The No. 4 Enfield in .303 Brit is OK, the 1896 Krag is not!

This will disqualify the 30-30, but you must be able to read and comprehend to get it!

2. The rifle must be of MODERN (post 1898 design, suitable for smokeless powder, with a bore size of .30 cal. or larger.

This will disqualify the 30-40 Krag, as it was implemented in 1892, but you must be able to read and comprehend to get it!

3. The bullet weight must be within the NORMAL range for the given cartridge.

you must possess basic skills in literacy to comprehend, which you clearly don't have to get it!

4. Inert fillers such as Dacron, kapok or are NOT RECOMMENDED! (Nor are they necessary).

you must possess basic skills in literacy to comprehend, which you clearly don't have to get it!

Never did I say that this load should be used in 30-30.

You claim to be an "experienced" loader, if that is the case, you should have heard about the Load, a lot of people are swearing by, but you must possess basic skills in literacy to comprehend, which you clearly don't have to get it!

I put this information into large and bold font, hopefully this helps.
Click to expand...

You are still wrong and trying to back peddle. Rule 3 and 4 does not apply. So has nothing to do with my reading comprehension. As Rule 1 excludes it, and you even agree. Get reading glasses as you are the one that cannot comprehend what you posted.

Then why you posted 2 articles for the load, in a topic about cheap 30 30 loads? Go check post #21.
But hey your 40 years exp of something you dont use, but guess it is safe because you said so.
 
Last edited:
Guess you did not read where I had to back off the load, as I was showing pressure sign at 13gr. With my modern Savage 308. Hmm guess I never heard of it if I had to make changes to how I use it

You can insult me all you want. But you lost as soon as you posted the load for a caliber that it's not design for. But keep on say I cannot comprehend reading. Keep rambling like a old man with diamentia.
 
OkayShooter said:
Guess you did not read where I had to back off the load, as I was showing pressure sign at 13gr. With my modern Savage 308. Hmm guess I never heard of it if I had to make changes to how I use it

You can insult me all you want. But you lost as soon as you posted the load for a caliber that it's not design for. But keep on say I cannot comprehend reading. Keep rambling like a old man with diamentia.
Click to expand...

I did not post the load for the 30-30!!!

You asked about the use of Red Dot, so I posted the information with the two articles (you couldn't read and comprehend, because of your incompetence).

NEVER did I say to use this load in 30-30!

I very clearly posted and shared with the forum what loads I use with great success.

You however, shared with the entire forum your illiteracy issue, well done!
 
partial said:
I did not post the load for the 30-30!!!
Click to expand...

I'm sorry but what is the title of this thread again?

You might not have MEAN'T to recommend it for the 30-30, but you kinda ended up doing it anyways by posting in a thread about the 30-30 without any mention of the fact that the thing your posting is not actually relevant to the 30-30.
 
Suther said:
I'm sorry but what is the title of this thread again?

You might not have MEAN'T to recommend it for the 30-30, but you kinda ended up doing it anyways by posting in a thread about the 30-30 without any mention of the fact that the thing your posting is not actually relevant to the 30-30.
Click to expand...

you are right, and you should have left it by that.
 
partial said:
I did not post the load for the 30-30!!!

You asked about the use of Red Dot, so I posted the information with the two articles (you couldn't read and comprehend, because of your incompetence).

NEVER did I say to use this load in 30-30!

I very clearly posted and shared with the forum what loads I use with great success.

You however, shared with the entire forum your illiteracy issue, well done!
Click to expand...
Full stop...


I mealy suggested Red Dot powder. I never said anything about Ed Harris "the load" as I use Red dot in my 308, 30 Herett ( 3030 wildcat ), and 303 for reduced loads. I said it's about 8grns. Which is par for what people use. I have a 3030 wildcat so of course I'm gonna come across 3030 loads. That where you first failed to read. I do know about it, hence me making changes to it for over pressure signs.

You took that as I suggested using the load. Again, you failed to comprehend. I expressed how you'll blow up the gun using it, because once again it's a post about 3030 loads. You kept on telling me I cannot read. Yet you tried to turn it around like I said to use it. I was against the load and proving you wrong. Not once did you say I don't recomend it. But who posted a link to a article that excluded 3030? Also which even contradicts what you done. So who really has an issues, as I used the article to prove your wrong?

Also why would I go down into my basement to grab my reloading manual to prove its 4.5 grn over max and think it's safe?

So really you just showed CGN you're dumb as ####.

Everything I said is full black and white for the world to see. The only one that has issues reading is you SIR. But you are soo arrogant you cannot realize your were 100% wrong.

I'm not entertaining you anymore and have a great day. I deal with enough wrong entitled people daily. Just because you are old, doesnt make you right
 
Last edited:
OkayShooter said:
Full stop...




So really you just showed CGN you're dumb as ####.



I'm not entertaining you anymore and have a great day. I deal with enough wrong entitled people daily. Just because you are old, doesnt make you right
Click to expand...

All the astersik and hashtag symbols which are hiding your vulgar language (in every post), are the indication of your failure.

Maybe you should reflect who really is/are the entitled person/s.
 
partial said:
All the astersik and hashtag symbols which are hiding your vulgar language (in every post), are the indication of your failure.

Maybe you should reflect who really is/are the entitled person/s.
Click to expand...

Yup I curse and I dont care that I do, you pissed me off. I don't hide it by choice, but the forum censors it.

At least I can admit when I'm wrong, unlike you. You still trying to make yourself look like the hero, by now deflecting and pointing out my cruising. Avoiding the question like a Liberal. But the only one that had the comprehension issue was you, only one that could not read dispite telling me to, was you. Multiple people told you, you were wrong. Yet I'm wrong?

I don't need to reflect as I never was the wrong person in this fight.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom