Cheap AR?

ez8 said:
how long have you been shooting and in the CF?
ive never actually looked into it but i always just assumed CF would get free ammo to train with while on base? doesnt it make sense to give active mil ammo to train?
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HAHAHAHAHA! Oh I wish they gave us free ammo. Nope, sadly we barely even go out to the range more than every few months (sometimes only once a year). Not to mention that even if the ammo is not used (what they allocated for a range day) you can't take it home (legally) unless you want to be charged and risk time in DB. Would make sense to have soldiers that shoot very well, but most guys end up buying their own guns and ammo. Would love to have a monthly stipend for ammo, or monthly allotment to shoot through. Guess I'll have to join a more specialized unit myself if I want that.
 
celtic1123 said:
HAHAHAHAHA! Oh I wish they gave us free ammo. Nope, sadly we barely even go out to the range more than every few months (sometimes only once a year). Not to mention that even if the ammo is not used (what they allocated for a range day) you can't take it home (legally) unless you want to be charged and risk time in DB. Would make sense to have soldiers that shoot very well, but most guys end up buying their own guns and ammo. Would love to have a monthly stipend for ammo, or monthly allotment to shoot through. Guess I'll have to join a more specialized unit myself if I want that.
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that sucks. i know guys in cf (active and some not active) and i just never asked them if ammo was supplied for training.
one buddy said he wanted a .22 because it was cheap to shoot... i thought that was just a stamped out excuse for not liking recoil lol

i think active CF should be given a on base allowance of ammo for personal training/target shooting. what you dont use you loose, and it doesnt leave the base.
 
ez8 said:
that sucks. i know guys in cf (active and some not active) and i just never asked them if ammo was supplied for training.
one buddy said he wanted a .22 because it was cheap to shoot... i thought that was just a stamped out excuse for not liking recoil lol

i think active CF should be given a on base allowance of ammo for personal training/target shooting. what you dont use you loose, and it doesnt leave the base.
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You sir should be given the job of making smart choices for the military. We always ask if we can get some extra ammo for those that have ar's or 9mm at home. I imagine there is some sort of legal reason to do with liability or some such thing. I personally wouldn't mind so much if we got out to the range more often, but alas every public agency has budgets. . . . damn budgets
 
ez8 said:
that sucks. i know guys in cf (active and some not active) and i just never asked them if ammo was supplied for training.
one buddy said he wanted a .22 because it was cheap to shoot... i thought that was just a stamped out excuse for not liking recoil lol

i think active CF should be given a on base allowance of ammo for personal training/target shooting. what you dont use you loose, and it doesnt leave the base.
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In a perfect world, it would be the best for our soliders to have lots of ammo to practice with. But ammo cost money and the government is cheap.
 
We have S&M M&P AR15's for under 1000.00 that will be here the 1st week of Dec. There is nothing better out there for that price.
 
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DMcFaul said:
Company and client information would obviously be covered under a provider/client NDA. Would NEA want it known? Certainly not. Their market knows them quite well already, even if you don't.

You'll just have to accept the fact that no matter how bad you want it, they're not going to give it to you. Such is life.

Regardless, I'm not at liberty to discuss another companies inner workings or information. Even If I have the answers. It is not my place, and CGN is not the place. If you have a question about the product I can probably answer it. I own a NEA-15, have probably put more rounds through it than anyone else so I have a certain level of experience with their fit, form and function. But I'm not here to discuss a previous employers inner workings. Aside from stating for the record... ."you guys are wrong." Take it for what it's worth.
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I accept they won't tell us, but I sure as heck don't accept that this "covert" customer base actually exists. Unless you're actually referring to the parts for CZ rifles, AR rails etc. Then I could see it. Those using CZ rifles, or Swiss rifles etc I could see using some NEA products with their actual firearm. It's not personal but I recall praise for these firearms being made under shill accounts not too long ago. The entire purpose of which was to trick us into thinking these firearms were good from "independent" people/customers.

I have no problem with the odd issue and I do have to say the customer service seemed to be excellent from the reports I've read. The issue was there were too many problems. A number of them were just carelessness, some were simply no one putting any extra thought into it and then there was the odd someone not giving a damn. I suspect like many new businesses the priority was to get them out the door to keep the company running. I can understand that, but it doesn't mean I'm going to want that product.

In terms of the rifle design. The 6061 choice for the upper and lowers puts it into the commercial DPMS grade product category. It's a billet lower with standard affair. The clamp on the free float handguard still doesn't do anything for me, even though it's better than it was.

I think the main issue NEA is having is they came out with the $1000 AR goal and came close. But that was when the name stuff was all $1400 and up. The NEA was providing better specs and made in Canada vs Norinco. Now thanks in part to NEA and Norinco the American brand name stuff is a lot cheaper than it was previously in Canada. In terms of price point/quality it makes sense to pay the extra and go with one of the American products. Unless you Need an Extra Ar just for abusing. Or are looking for a cheep project gun to mess around with.

Now we're hitting a problem with the NEA marketing. All these covert professionals we're told love them and it's really a high end product. But it isn't and it wasn't really supposed to be competition for the high end stuff. It was marketed as a decent feature rich AR meant to be better than the Norc. I'm skeptical of the professional users of any non third world country using NEA AR rifles. Parts for other systems or even parts for AR rifles such as rails etc sure. But I can't see it for the entire rifle as a system.

The bottom line is price/product quality wise the other guys lowered their prices so going NEA wasn't necessarily as attractive as it previously seemed to be. Here's a quick example. NEA was going to release a DMR with 18" 1:7 polygonal rifled barrel, monolithic upper etc. Specs looked good. They had the projected price up for the monolithic system (which looked way better than the handguard we now see) along with the additional costs of the barrel. I put the numbers together. It wasn't cheap at all. Then I saw the LMT mrp export model from Questar. $100 off for police or military. Monolithic upper, quick change barrel, Mike rock 1:7 CL barrel, Sopmod stock, Ergo grip, front and back sights, quick release sling points and two QR sling swivels. It worked out to slightly more than $100 over what the NEA monolithic DMR was gong to cost. On a side note the monolithic NEA never appeared. I suspect it's because LMT holds the patent in Canada for monolithic rails.

The NEA is a lower to middle grade AR rifle. Like many middle/lower grade rifles it may work very well. Norinco, DPMS etc come to mind. The problem is when it's being billed as something it really isn't. A top quality AR rifle it isn't. Unfortunately the original price target while great at the time, isn't as amazing at this time.

While my views may change later on as they get better I have to say if someone asked me about buying a NEA rifle, my current response would be "Never go full NEA". :runaway:
 
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