I agree.
I think one pack of smokes is enough to keep the kids busy until I get back but to play it safe I will leave two.
Chinese Surplus SKS Quality
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I agree.
I think one pack of smokes is enough to keep the kids busy until I get back but to play it safe I will leave two.
Ahh, the memories! LeBaron in Montreal used to sell these at $99 a piece, unissued, in the mid 1990's. Handled one or two at the counter, it felt very thin and lightweight, but I could see how it would be more practical over wood, especially the substandard Chinese SKS wood. Decided to go with an SKS-D for $149 instead, lol... even though it was a commercial model, I saw very little difference in quality of the metal finish. They also had the military wood stock ones for $79 I think, but those were really lacking in overall quality (sharp and poorly machined metal edges, crooked and imprecise markings, etc). I used to spend my week-ends visiting their gun department and talking about / handling their milsurps with the guys at the counter, lol. Fun times! Then some Libtard who didn't believe in "military weapons for civilians" took over the business and the gun department stopped buying/selling milsurps... and so my visits (and spending) ended right then and there.
In any case, when the Russian SKS's came around a few years ago at $169 a piece for a birch and $199 for ones with laminated wood, it was unbelievable. Prior to that little miracle, the Canadian market was flooded exclusively with Chinese SKS's and even beat up Russian examples were rare and VERY expensive, if you could even find one. Once introduced, the Ruskies came pretty close to the same price as the Chinese ones 15+ years earlier, but felt a lot better overall. Best of all, they are all pretty consistent in build quality and were never produced as "commercial" variants, unlike the Chinese. Every single Ruskie SKS is a military issue rifle with the same quality and attention to detail, no exceptions and no guessing. The only thing you need to worry about is condition (prior amount of use/abuse on it).
As for our two Amerifriends coming on here and insulting others' opinions/observations, they must have a stack of Chinese SKS's for sale on Gunbroker at $700 USD a piece or something. I too can quote Wikipedia with the best of them, doesn't prove a damn thing. Next thing we'll be told is that the Yugo SKS quality is also sh*t when compared to the glorious Chinese "factory X" workmanship... So whatever.
Finally, name calling ain't gonna give you more credibility here, folks!
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Well it's not likely "grey birch" since that is found in North America...
The reference to Arctic Birch would lead me to think is Masur Birch which is common to the region http://www.bellforestproducts.com/masur-birch/
Janka of 1200 BTW.
Where can we get these Chinese laminate and fiberglass stocked rifles? Oh right, nowhere as very few were made and less made it over here.
I can get Russian rifles in Birch or Laminate for $200 give or take...far superior to the Chinese guns we can get for the same price.
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2 Russian origin factories with tens of refurbishment factories.
Multiple Chinese factories pumping out full rifles or parts for rifles.
To try and equate all of one country's SKS are better than all of the others is a simplified argument. It really comes down to the individual rifle, and it's level of originality or refurbishment quality.
Multiple Chinese factories pumping out full rifles or parts for rifles.
To try and equate all of one country's SKS are better than all of the others is a simplified argument. It really comes down to the individual rifle, and it's level of originality or refurbishment quality.
Remind me again your lack of being able to get or find a quality Chinese sks constitutes blanketing statements made with a wide brush over all of Chinese SKSs?
Is it my problem you cannot find a laminated Chicom or cannot find a nice early /26\?
This conversation happens once a week here and every single time it comes down to... "Russians are better because of..... The pretty stock"
I don't give a rats azz what type of Birch you want to selectively endorse, its all soft junk too. Like... Good for paper and suckers looking for a pretty stock.
Some of you guys problem is, you see one stupid gun from china and assume all others are Inferior. Again, if you had a clue as to what to look for you would have a problem. You can go on and on with you russian better bork bork, but only a select few are buying your fake news propaganda.
Wow.... Guys seen a few guns the chicoms tried to pawn off on you and you assume all Chicoms are junk. What kinda narrow minded madness is this?
Is it my problem you cannot find a laminated Chicom or cannot find a nice early /26\?
This conversation happens once a week here and every single time it comes down to... "Russians are better because of..... The pretty stock"
I don't give a rats azz what type of Birch you want to selectively endorse, its all soft junk too. Like... Good for paper and suckers looking for a pretty stock.
Some of you guys problem is, you see one stupid gun from china and assume all others are Inferior. Again, if you had a clue as to what to look for you would have a problem. You can go on and on with you russian better bork bork, but only a select few are buying your fake news propaganda.
Wow.... Guys seen a few guns the chicoms tried to pawn off on you and you assume all Chicoms are junk. What kinda narrow minded madness is this?
The big difference is, we have seen all manners of Chinese firearms in Canada, from new in box Factory 26, to newly built T81 and T97's from guess where.... Factory 26.
The taps didn't turn off here in 1994 or whenever Clinton banned Chinese firearms, in fact we got more at stupid low prices since they couldn't be sent to the US.
So if you were not so narrow minded and only focused on the limited numbers that are in the US prior to 1994, you would realize we are far more exposed and experienced with Chinese rifles/pistols of all sorts then you with your narrow little experience.
Wood was crap on Chinese SKS back in the 50"s, and it's still crap in 2017. Factory 26 is not a prestigious factory anymore, and hasn't been for decades...might have been the pinnacle of Chinese SKS production for 7-10 years, but they pumped out garbage ever since.
More fake news.... There are so many Chinese of every variation under the sun in the US available and you think CA has some superiority when it comes to chocom sks imports?
Your delusional
Its a real shame this forum has a handful of turds in the punch bowl such as yourself whos egos and biased nature blinds you from common sense. Its also interesting these same individuals seem to hate on you spicifically because or where you live. It won't matter what an American says on this board..... You gonna run your gibs like your something special.
I get it... You like purdy stocks. Get over it.
Your delusional
Its a real shame this forum has a handful of turds in the punch bowl such as yourself whos egos and biased nature blinds you from common sense. Its also interesting these same individuals seem to hate on you spicifically because or where you live. It won't matter what an American says on this board..... You gonna run your gibs like your something special.
I get it... You like purdy stocks. Get over it.
I have some of each. Accuracy seems to depend on how tight the stock fits the action at the recoil pad.
None of them is a tack driver, but the best happens to be Chinese. I don't see much difference in the rifle quality, except Russians have prettier wood.
None of them is a tack driver, but the best happens to be Chinese. I don't see much difference in the rifle quality, except Russians have prettier wood.
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LC has had more sks go through his hands than most people here.
And has spent way too much time thinking about how the Albanian and Chinese rifles may have the same wood source for stocks.
None of the Chinese guns were produced as commercial variants. The Commercial guns that China exported were "assembled" from the massive stockpiles of leftover parts that China had leftover after three decades of mil-spec Type56 Production in the 100+ arsenals and factories throughout China.
Even the modified commercial variants were assembled from original mil-spec parts.
There is no evidence that China ever produced the SKS for specifically for the consumer market. Instead, the evidence shows that the Chinese took advantage of their abundant surplus of Type56's, and, beginning in the late 1980's, they "flipped" their mil-spec cache for cash by dumping them into overseas foreign consumer markets.
They are Red Chinese Communists afterall... why in the world would they have ever considered making a commercial gun for Chinese consumers? Answer is that they did no such thing.
Keep in mind...that production of the sks in in China ended in the mid-1980's. Guns dated 1988 and later were simply assembled from the large stockpiles of leftover parts manufactured to mil-specs.
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Commercial Russian SKS hunting rifle... commercialized just like the Chinese did... taking military rifles or parts of rifles and selling them to the civilian market...
The OP-SKS...
And this one direct from the MOLOT factories...
And this other MOLOT entry for the Russian civilian "commercial" market...
If your Russian SKS has laser etching export marks on it... It's been refurbished and sold off in the commercial market out of Russian. It is not direct surplus. And is no less commercial than what polytech and norinco are doing when they scrubbed serial numbers and arsenal marks and sell us their "sanitized" guns.
Sorry to those that buy a "clandestine" Chinese sks with no arsenal marks. It isn't a black market gun built for some foreign shadow army. It's just sanitized for commercial sales.
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You should Google "burl" so at least you know what it is so you don't look like soo clueless.
Same guy that didn't know what "sino-soviet" means and claimed "catalpa was harder then Birch"...
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1638716-Russian-VS-Chinese-SKS?p=14292245
I’m not an sks expert, but as far as the sks rifles in canada go, it’s clear that “condition” varies greatly.
For a long time, we were getting like new, military Chinese sks rifles. As for the Russian sks rifles, we had many like new examples in the past, but we have always had much more heavily refurbished and well used Russian rifles on the Canadian market. Nowadays, the Russian rifles are of lower condition than we had in recent years. I’m not an expert in factories and years of production nor am I a firearms expert, but I’ve seen many Russian sks rifles with worn bolts and wear on the stripper clip guide and I can only imagine that the barrels are likely not pristine in those cases either. However, there have been Russian sks rifles that looked like they had never been used when we were still getting the nice ones.
When people are comparing how well there Chinese sks shot compared to a Russian one, were they shooting an as new condition Chinese sks vs a worn out Russian SKS?
For a long time, we were getting like new, military Chinese sks rifles. As for the Russian sks rifles, we had many like new examples in the past, but we have always had much more heavily refurbished and well used Russian rifles on the Canadian market. Nowadays, the Russian rifles are of lower condition than we had in recent years. I’m not an expert in factories and years of production nor am I a firearms expert, but I’ve seen many Russian sks rifles with worn bolts and wear on the stripper clip guide and I can only imagine that the barrels are likely not pristine in those cases either. However, there have been Russian sks rifles that looked like they had never been used when we were still getting the nice ones.
When people are comparing how well there Chinese sks shot compared to a Russian one, were they shooting an as new condition Chinese sks vs a worn out Russian SKS?
As others have said in the thread , the quality varies from rifle to rifle really. I'll start off by saying I like ALL SKS rifles but do have an affinity for my Russians. I'd love to own one of every flavour , an Albanian , NK or Viet would be so awesome but are unobtanium for the most part in my neck of the woods it seems. I have owned a lot over time and my best shooter was and still is a Russian , close second is a Chinese though. The latest cheaper (pricewise) batch of Chinese surplus to hit our market seem to be a little lower grade run of the mill. Not long ago real nice Chinese ones were available and of higher quality and some very nice untouched military examples like new , unrefurb , fresh beautiful rifles. I took a few pics of one of my nicer Chinese rifles that shoots second best of all my sks and all the ones I have owned. Its got that nice shine to the stock and the bore and crown are impeccable IMHO.
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I see now... we need to go out and find that pristine "unicorn" Chinese SKS that was once presented to Chairman Mao himself on The People's Craftsmanship Skills Day, eh? The few dozen each of us has seen and held in our hands over the last few decades simply won't do. Too small a sample, lol!
Solid argument, brah! Speaking of fake news, how much are you selling 'em on Gunbroker?
And here is one of my Russians I feel is beautiful , figured I'd share it as well. I tried to put it in last post I made but can only do 7 pics per post , hence attachments on bottom of last post I had to erase. 54 Izzy , all matching , even mag.
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