Chinese Surplus SKS Quality

God your dense. My asking what a "sino-soviet" was was a rhetorical question.

You and I both know Russan stocks are not made from that type of birch. You cant just assume it must be the highest density birch on the list because it fits your narrative.

Have you know, My former profession had me hand selecting high grades of hardwood and veneer to be used in the cabinets of private jets. This ain't my first rodeo there numb nutz.

Again, you can wonk wonk all you like, but until I see you post a thread of you sanding and cutting the crap out of these sks woods, perhaps you should shut your pie-hole.

Catalpa and Burch are both hardwoods, BUT they are BOTH on the low end of density.

Some of you guys arguments would be the same as me taking one look at that bastardized rifle FenceLine posted and assume all Russians are crap. Im sorry fellas.... It simply does not work that way.

I have sanded and worked with well over 100 SKS stocks refinishing them in different colors and finishes. I am no fine cabinet maker but have my own process for removing cosmoline out of the wood so it will take finish. The Russian birch stocks are somewhat harder than the Chinese. The included pictures show a refinished Russian laminate and the varied grain. The black striations are not sanding marks but actual dark fibers running through the grain in the wood. Drove me nuts at first thinking they were sanding marks but you cannot get rid of them. They are in the grain and are highlighted when the finish is applied. I have never seen them in any other wood I have worked with. I can tell you for sure the Russian birch is a more fibrous wood and more resistant to marking and sanding than the Chinese wood which comparatively is butter soft. The side grain on the birch stocks is definitely less porous than catalpa and doesn't take stain as readily as the Catalpa will. All sanding was done by hand no power sanding. I have worked with birch stocks on other firearm models like the Cooey's here in Canada and the like and the wood is quite dense and is very difficult to get it to take finish or take finish evenly. That is why most manufacturers that use birch stocks use a covering finish rather than a stain that penetrates and shows the grain. Mind you those have had no cosmo and have seasoned for 50 or so years.

I will admit to he fact that these have been marinating in Cosmoline for decades, the Chinese for less time than the Russian, thus softening it, but the Chinese wood is in my opinion more porous and sucks in more cosmoline than the birch wood does. Yes the Catalpa may be more rot resistant it doesn't make it as hard as the birch. Western Red Cedar is a very rot resistant wood here on the West Coast where I live and is probably one of the softest woods out there. Besides being soaked in cosmo any wood is rot resistant. While the wood is softer on both with the cosmoline in it and even those that are just sweated by the average shooter to remove enough to comfortably handle them, I can tell you that when you go to the process of stripping the finish and doing a deeper de cosmoline the surface is definitely more resistant to dents and marks on the Russian ones. Is it iron wood? Not by a long shot but it definitely tougher and harder than the Catalpa or Chu wood which dents if you look at it wrong. Here are some close ups of the Russian laminate stock that was refinished. You can see grain structure you won't see if the finish on an SKS is never removed. Refinished the laminate SKS Russian stocks are beautiful. Holographic effect like as you move them in the light, the finish changing as you move it around, and looks like you can look a mile deep into the grain. The pictures don't do it justice.

That said I have owned many and my most accurate was a Chinese, pinned barrel, stamped trigger group, Mil Spec Model 56 Factory 336 with deep bluing and excellent metalwork. It was dripping in cosmoline, never issued. I refinished the stock, put a Magwedge rail on it and a compact 3-9X32 scope, did some trigger work and consistently shot 1.25-1.5" 100yd groups with Sellier and Bellot Soft Point ammo. Haven't been able to do that with a Russian one yet. So have no prejudice against the Chinese Mil Spec rifles. They were by and large well made and function well and reliably. The commercial bubba'd milspec that were sent to fill consumer interest here in the West not as much. But even those have ones that are better made than others, and most will suffice plinking at the range.

Perhaps looking at the photos and using your experience you can narrow down the type of birch or if you have seen birch grain comparable to it before.

















 
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Why oh why did I sell my non-refurbished, mint '53 Izhevsk? :(

Hang on tight to the non-refurbs guys, they will only go up in value when the SKS well runs dry.

Chinese or Russian, they're all good.
 
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I don't need to think about it, it is evidenced as fact by the marketplace itself. The new examples of Chinese SKS's on the EE languish at $300, not exactly flying out the door. The importers would be asking higher than that for whatever new stock they brought it.

Even the much exalted Russian rifles are not commanding over $300 on the EE, for the prime Ukraine examples. I will say it again, most people outside of CGN are not collectors and will not pay an extra 50% for a gun they just want to shoot or put in a tapco stock or bang around on a sled.

How much does a "rare" '49 Russian go for? $500-600 should get you a good collectible one. Think about that.

I sold two Chinese sks for 300 on the EE last year and they didn't last 48 hours on the EE. Canada Ammo sold out of their 300 (taxes in) jungle stock mismatched guns in less than an hour last month.

Languish they don't...
 
I don't like birch for rifle stock. When birch gets stained or shellacked, the colour is blotchy. Birch best suits for woodturning.The best wood I like is European Elm as on Yugo SKS, English Oak on Lee Enfields and Turkish Walnut on K98. The Russians used birch,because birch was probably the only cheapest good hardwood they had.
 
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I sold two Chinese sks for 300 on the EE last year and they didn't last 48 hours on the EE. Canada Ammo sold out of their 300 (taxes in) jungle stock mismatched guns in less than an hour last month.

Languish they don't...

If you think that there is a market for Chinese SKS rifles at the $300 price point and above that is great. You don't need to convince me, really you should be making your point to the importers who would be bringing them in.

I am sure they would value your opinion and thank you for informing them of this large market segment they are neglecting.
 
Fwiw, post #2 in this thread is reason for derailment, and quite possibly the reason you cannot get any high quality Jianshe guns. People read dumb posts like that and are fear mongered into not paying for a decent gun. What makes you think when these dont sell or wont sell, that the importers will have any ambition to get even better stuff and charge even more because THEY had to pay more.

I hate to say this, but its a consumer driven market. This isn't rocket science here. If you are unwilling to pay a fair share for a quality product, expect cheap crap. You want cheap, distributor has to get cheap, importer has to get cheap, and the chicoms say..... This what you get for that price. Rifles hit the shore and then don't sell because its not cheap enough or high enough quality, not to mention all the keyboard commando nay sayers that paint entire countries production as crap with a wide brush because they only got what they were willing to pay for. Heck, 90% of this board wants a new rifle expected Smithsonian grade products for $150 only to bastardized the damn thing with $500 in operator parts.... Figure that one out.

Pssst.... post #2 was one of your disciples, Einstein!

real military ones are better than Russian SKSs. more accurate

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As for SKS "quality", the Chinese depots where the surplus ones are kept don't give a rat's ass about years, factories or how "collectable" their SKSs are (lol!). These guns have been stored for a war than never turned hot and when time comes to liquidate and make room for AK's/T81's, an importer will get the whole lot for pennies on the dollar, probably close to their scrap value. That's how it works in real life.

The triage only happens once the SKS's get to their target market and are sorted into "collector grades". The same thing happened in the beginning when the Russian SKS hit our market: at first, it was a crapshoot and you could get a pristine 1949 for the same price as a refurbished 1953 from all kinds of outlets selling them. I'd know, I got a few beautiful examples like that for under $200. Once the distributors got wiser and learned about "collector value", no refurbishment marks and rarity of some of the Ruskies vs others, they upped the price on the more "desirable" units. It's an artificial inflation of their value, done locally. The Ukrainians who sold the whole lot sold each and every one of those rifles for the exact same bulk price. It's the local distributors who are maximizing their profits by later sorting these guns into collectable grades and charging more for some vs others.


So, in the end, your gripe seems to be that people are not willing to pay your asking price for your super duper Chi-com SKS's, huh? Well, I guess I figured you out quite well then: another Gunbroker warrior peddling overpriced crap... gun shows are full of your types, but their tables are usually void of customers. Carry on, bud!

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Reply #3 Feel better, or are you behind on your spoon-feeding through a chain link fence?

Yes, that's it.... I'm spoon feeding through a fence while taking a giant crap onto a rusty Jianshe SKS worth $10 in scrap metal in China!

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Actually no... the Chinese news report said they were "counterfeit rifles", as in unauthorized copies. They might very well be BB guns, who knows! I don't really give a rat's ass what they are to be honest, since I have 0 interest in buying Chi-com SKS's.

How ironic though, since the Chinese SKS is a copy of the Russian too... so it's kind of like stealing from a thief!


(and yes, the USSR authorized and supervised production in the early years, blah, blah, blah...)


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