Choosing a Pistol Calibre Carbine

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My girlfriend and I are shopping around for a pistol calibre carbine. Because this particular brand of toy is so pricey, we'd like to have as much info as possible before buying something.

She really likes the 9mm AR-15. Here are some pictures of her shooting the RRA pistol that belongs to a certain Range Officer which all PoCo members will be well familiar with.
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Some of the features we want:
- readily available parts and accessories (vertical foregrip, light, replacement parts, etc.);
- BUIS and optics at the same time;
- prefer 9mm;
- prefer the possibility of 10 round mags.

Here's the way I see our choices right now:

1. RRA 7" A4 with quad rail - this seems to be our front runner right now. I'm just wondering about the 7" barrell. Is the 10.5 better? Can get decent hits at 50m with a 7 inch barrel? 100m? The other downside is that it is pretty pricey, and that's without all the add-ons.

2. Beretta Cx4 Storm 9mm - mags are readily available. What about the foregrip, etc. I don't want to beg in the EE for months. Mags are plentiful and are all 10 round. Some people have mentioned to me that action used in these guns is more susceptible to break-down (than an AR). True? On the upside, it's half the cost of the rest of them.

3. HK USC .45ACP - I love HK stuff. If they made a black USC in 9mm that would probably be my choice. I know the gray ones are discontinued and they are coming out with black now. If I bought one it'd probably be a huge money sinkhole UMP conversion for me. Are these things durable? Especially if you take it apart and start putting an aftermarket lower and stock on it? Have have USC owners found it hard getting parts, accessories, mags? Then there is the 5 round mags, and when the competition has 10 round mags, that is just about a deal breaker on its own.

4. B&T TP-9 - A few people at our range have these and bring them out regularly. My girlfriend is not a fan of the look of it. I like the look of it, but it seems more like a big handgun than the pistol calibre carbine that I am after.... and then there is the 5 round mag thing.

5. Bushmaster Carbon 15 9mm pistol - Are these things any good? The first time I saw a Carbon 15 receiver up close I pretty much lost all interest in them. It looks like a fake molded prop AR15. At least you can get 10 round mags for them. The price is not much less than a "real" AR though. I guess it is lighter for small people like my gf to hold up though.

Any advice or other suggestions people might have is much appreciated.
 
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I'd go with the RRA 7" A4. Grab one while you can ... Questar has one or two left - GO!

US is not exporting these anymore, you'll be grabbing the last new ones in the country. :shotgun:
 
Definitely the CX4 Storm... you can make it Non-Restricted for the same cost as the others. 10 rnd limit, it's light, it's cheap, it comes with a Case and rail... the trigger is heavy but so what.

I see you are local as well... Barry at Bits Of Pieces will be making some barrels for the 9mm CX4 so you'd be crazy to go any other way :)

CX4 Storm now, then Non-Restrict her in the future!!

Regards~
 
the trigger is heavy but so what.


That is a HUGE downside for the storm. For 9mm the AR15 is the way to go. Even more so now with the ten round mags available. Yea it's restricted, but you are looking for a range gun, not a bush gun right? So the only real downside to the AR is the price, and frankly your girlfriend looks expensive anyway.

FWIW I have both a RRA 9mm ar15 and a tp-9. The AR is always invited to the range, the tp-9 not so much. It's trigger pull is f*ckin horrible.

Dave
 
Well, my thinking is that the AR15 in the pic above is going to be twice as heavy as the CX4; she is able to shoot it with elbow on table, but good luck standing. :) The trigger is the only negative, but everything else is a big positive. Let us know what you decide.
 
I'm for the Storm .... way simpler to run than an AR, less prone to malfunctions (in my experience), lighter, rail system often included in the price, controls are reversible RH to LH, and the gun runs cleaner. The potential to make it non restricted is a bonus, and this option is not available with an AR system due to the way the legislation has been worded.

The Storm shoots quite accurately, but so do most AR's.

You don't really need a fore grip, but these are available and more often than not can be found on a used gun. The trigger is heavy but not unbearably so, and one becomes accustomed to it in short order.
 
TFunfer said:
Couldn't a gunsmith improve the trigger in a CX4?

I don't see why not ... in the end, I just got used to the factory trigger on mine, so couldn't be bothered.
 
G37 said:
Definitely the CX4 Storm...the trigger is heavy but so what... Barry at Bits Of Pieces will be making some barrels for the 9mm CX4

The atrocious (?child-resistant?) trigger on the Storm killed my interest in the carbine. :(

Surely somebody must have figured out a way to improve the Storm trigger.

Anybody know?


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Thanks for the replies, guys.

G37 said:
Well, my thinking is that the AR15 in the pic above is going to be twice as heavy as the CX4; she is able to shoot it with elbow on table, but good luck standing. :) The trigger is the only negative, but everything else is a big positive. Let us know what you decide.
The AR in the picture is pretty heavy. I noticed that right away when I first picked it up. That can probably be tamed to some extent on a shorter barrelled model with fewer add-ons.

My girlfriend has a Beretta 92 which is her own gun (she also owns a 10/22 and a 22/45 which are registered to her), so if she bought a 9mm Cx4 she would already have 3 extra mags to use with it. I'll have to research this out a bit more, but is it just a straight blow-back action? And are there any concerns there? In a 9mm though, there is probably little to be worried about. They always seem to have one at Reliable Gun, I'm going to go and look at it again tomorrow and check out the trigger weight in more detail.

I think they still have a USC at Lever Arms in Vancouver, so I want to swing by there and cop a feel on that as well. I love the USP 9mm I have, and like a lot of people my dream gun would be something like an MP5 (or at least something that looks like an MP5 but shoots semi-auto with 10 round mags). C'mon HK, make that gun for us suckers languishing here in Canada! Make it PDW size if you have to so the importer can get those 10 round mags approved!

I'll let you guys know what we do. If we go "nay" on the Beretta and the USC, I'll probably try and order one of the remaining RRA pistols from Questar later this month... if they are sold out I guess a 16 incher isn't the end of the world (Actually, I think the one in the picture is a 16. Correct? I can't remember and I don't know ARs well enough to recognize barrel length on sight).
 
Indeed it is a straight blow-back action; nothing to worry about.
The CX4 is very light and whippy... like a feather (which I love).

I am not against anything else you mentioned, just, if I had to buy one tomorrow it'd definitely be a Storm :)
 
That is a good point about the weight of the storm. I had forgotten how light they were. My wife does tend to complain how hard to hold on target some of my rifles are due to weight. I do tend to hang allot of sh*t off them though.:D

Dave
 
The 10 round capacity of the RRA AR15 pattern rifles is good. The Beretta is also a suitable option for you since you have a 92FS. AR15 will allow you tons of toys to tack onto it.

I do prefer the B&T TP9.. with the right optics is actually very accurate carbine (SMG sized) rifle. 5 rounds is a drawback though. Although after shooting a AR15 (9mm carbine) I was on the verge of building one. 9mm is cheap to shoot ... but it was ALOT of gun for a little round (IMHO).
 
If you are looking for a good carbine with a pistol round don't forget the best out there now, Marlin Competition Carbine in .45LC . Short, lite and lots of ammo available and no issue with it being restricted or not !!!!!!!
 
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