Nice looking action. US$995 with scope base, but without trigger, bottom metal or magazine. Going to scare 2 grand.
Barrel threads are 18tpi, different from Savage or Remington.
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Nice looking action. US$995 with scope base, but without trigger, bottom metal or magazine. Going to scare 2 grand.
Barrel threads are 18tpi, different from Savage or Remington.
It's $300-600 dollars cheaper than other custom actions. Similar price to say a ARC Nucleus or Bighorn Origin (same actions the poster was looking at).
It's up to the purchaser to decide whether the price is fair. The poster didn't say anything about a "little starter action that doesn't break the bank", so I'm not sure why we are discussing that criteria. But by being a few hundred dollars cheaper than other available custom actions with it's feature set, one could argue that it is a fairly good value proposition.
I think any action based on a Remington 700 foot print... why .... because they work,with minimal work... which good gunsmiths will at least ensure they are trued when spinning a new barrel on lots of upgrades from stocks to triggers... I have used , Remington, stiller, Lawton, bats, savage and barnard... they all work very well... my experience with the savage was ok... model 111 with if I remember right a shilen trigger... it worked but would probably never buy another as limited on the good trigger options....
end of the day... their is no one answer whats best.... go with what ur comfortable with
you can blue print a Remington to make it a custom action , which is very different from trueing a Remington.... but past experience in cost of doing so.... buy a Stiller
end of the day... their is no one answer whats best.... go with what ur comfortable with
you can blue print a Remington to make it a custom action , which is very different from trueing a Remington.... but past experience in cost of doing so.... buy a Stiller
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I've got a Nucleus I'm just starting load dev for and it's a really nice unit. Honestly, I don't think you can go wrong between the Nucleus, Origin and Tenacity although I'd lean towards the first 2 (despite my affinity for Defiance, I have one and the guys there are great) as they let you use Savage prefits.
I know what needs to be done in truing an action.
I have heard the term "blue print" many times concerning truing 700 actions. I have never understood what one would have to do to "blue print" an action. I have always felt it was a misused terminology in the gun world. Does Remington supply blue prints concerning 700 actions?
Please explain what is required to blue print a 700 action. Some details please. Also what you feel needs to be done in truing a 700.
A thread is a thread, it has nothing to do with savage production quality or a lack of thereof or someone perception of it. Just a spec a lot of companies make barrels ready to go. I can change it myself on a fly. Just a couple of barrel changes vs gunsmithing costs make it worth it.
Lots of hate on here for savage actions, why? What makes them "Garbage", or "Crap"? A Bit of bolt slop? Some issues with quality in specific cases?
It was to my understanding that savage actions are winning competitions and setting records? If you base your opinion off of feel is that actually the function or precision of the action/rifle, or is it your performance and function with the said action/rifle?
I have been shooting my whole life, just not long range ultra precision, but in that time I have seen a lot of people blame their tools for not being able to put lead on target, it is usually them not the firearm.
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It was to my understanding that savage actions are winning competitions and setting records? If you base your opinion off of feel is that actually the function or precision of the action/rifle, or is it your performance and function with the said action/rifle?
I have been shooting my whole life, just not long range ultra precision, but in that time I have seen a lot of people blame their tools for not being able to put lead on target, it is usually them not the firearm.
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A lot of options are showing up for shouldered barrels which requires no gunsmiths to see the actions. Some of the newest actions being produced by companies are being held to such tight tolerances that a shouldered barrel can be made for them without a gunsmith ever seeing the action. For those that don't, the gunsmith has to see the action just once.
And it's just as easy to change out a shouldered barrel rifle as it is a Savage barrel nut one. I do it all the time. Every rifle is a "switch barrel" rifle. I really don't understand why people on here think it's so difficult to change out a shouldered barrel - seems to be a popular misconception.
Pre-fit barrels can be cheaper, especially when comparing the cheaper budget barrel brands to the premium barrel brands (which most pre-fits seem to be made from budget blanks). I will concede that. You are limited on contours with Savage threads, you have to use a hideous barrel nut, and a lot of stocks and chassis will require inletting work in order to accommodate the barrel nut.
With a shouldered barrel, I'm not limited to barrel manufacturer, barrel contour, I can have my gunsmith chamber it however I want (wildcats, chambers for specific bullets such as Berger 140 Hybrids, etc) - you have every option available with no limitations.
I'll take a shouldered barrel every time. That way I get exactly what I want (premium barrel blank, HV or MTU contour, custom chambering). And it's really simple to swap out barrels - really no more difficult or time consuming than a barrel nut style.
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Poor manufacturing and QA/QC. Lots of problems - hell just a few threads below is a thread about poor extraction problems. Some prominent precision rifle trainers in the USA won't even let Savage rifles into their classes because they have to spend so much time diagnosing issues and getting the students rifle in working order. Frank Galli of Snipers Hide, who does a lot of training courses throughout North America for civi's and mil/le, says that the vast majority of student guns that have issues are Savages. Before he banned Savage Rifles from his classes, he knew he would be spending a lot of time each class fixing at least one Savage rifle.
Sure they have the capability to shoot. And records have been set by them. But they tend to have so many issues it isn't really worth it. There is a reason why they are so cheap. Other manufacturers have been pulling past Savage for years in manufacturing quality and QA/QC. Lots of stock manufactured guns will shoot every bit as good as a stock Savage or better.
Unless you are hell bent on buying the cheapest rifle, I really see no reason to buy a Savage these days. Much better value in other rifles being produced these days.
The Nuc is pretty feature rich for the price. The tenacity is probably the most bare bones of the 3 options, the Origin has the bayo style disassembly, swappable bolt heads, mechanical ejection.
The ARC is a 3 lug, 72 degree action. It has a leaf spring extractor, mechanical ejector, swappable bolt heads, dual cocking cams, and etc. Ted K. (the maker of ARC) has a definite mad genius vibe going on.
Simply because they have barrel nut style and shouldered prefits available from a few manufacturers so you can install your own barrel. If you're sending it to the smith then it really makes no difference as they're all very nice actions.
I'm excited to hear how people like their Nucleus actions. I own it's bigger brother the Mausingfield, and it's quite possibly the best action I've put my hands on.
ARC makes a great product, and their actions are packed with some great features.
ARC makes a great product, and their actions are packed with some great features.
Basically you are saying this "I don't understand why would people walk anywhere, I can have my chauffeur to drive me any place I like and Rolls-Royce comes in any color I want".
Well, not everyone has "their" trusted gunsmith on a moments notice to chamber 6.5 PRS for tomorrow. Moreover, few would even want that to begin with.
I order new barrels every year, before I burn my current ones out. Hardly a spur of the moment thing.
If people want to buy Savage thread barrels because they want to live spontaneously that's fine. You are limited to your options, but if that works for you then go for it.
I'm just pointing out that shouldered barrels are not as big of a hassle as some make it out to be, and have advantages over their Savage barrel nut counterparts. The advantages of a barrel nut style over a shoulder barrel is often exaggerated here.
If people want to buy Savage thread barrels because they want to live spontaneously that's fine. You are limited to your options, but if that works for you then go for it.
I'm just pointing out that shouldered barrels are not as big of a hassle as some make it out to be, and have advantages over their Savage barrel nut counterparts. The advantages of a barrel nut style over a shoulder barrel is often exaggerated here.
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