Chopped up my Stag today!

Hoddie, Nice gun! Love that long sight radius. Looking forward to the range report.

MPI, the 3R gas block wouldn't fit under that rail either. And, the FSB is likely easier to chop than a gas block.
 
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Well, I got it out to the range. All I can say is wow. This is one of the lightest carbines I have handled. While it does add weight to the front end, it is still very light. In this case it helps with the muzzle flip. Follow up shots within the double taps were right on target. The sight radius is excellent as well. It is just as long as the 20 inch full length rifle, but 16 inches of CQB shooting iron. Very easy to point. This is helped by the vertical grip. Cooling was not an issue with all those holes, not that 5 round mags would heat it up much. I did stack a bunch of mags up just to test it. I also noticed when I was transitioning to my pistol, that the rail protected my leg from the hot barrel as I dropped the gun by the sling.
All in all, I must say that I am very impressed with the Stag Arms rifle. Even with all that grinding and filing, the first 5 rounds were still tight (within 1 1/2 inches) at 50 metres. After I dialed in the irons, the rounds were inside an inch at 50m from a supported platform. The gun itself is still very tight, but with time and the 1000's of rounds I intend to put through this, it will loosen up just right.
Big thanks to Walter at Armseast and Joe at CQB Services for putting up with my non-stop e-mails and questions.
Hoddie.
 
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I will start this with the disclaimer that if you do this job, I didn't tell you to! If it goes horribly wrong, please don't say I said it would work. This is not for the weak at heart. Taking a grinder to a $1500 rifle that hasn't even been fired yet, was the hardest part to get over. In the end , it turned out extremely well.
Unless you are going to get a rail that stops before the front sight base, I would go with a low profile gas block. The R3 comes with a railed gas block and it won't fit under the Samson rail. Actually, it most likely won't fit under any rail. So, you would have to cut it down or replace it. The FSB that I cut down was easier to do IMHO. I took my time and was very careful not to damage the rest of the gun. As a precaution, I removed the gas tube. If you go fast, one slip and the upper is going to be toast. The tools I used were big in comparision to the job. A double wheel bench grinder, handheld angle grinder, hacksaw and some files. Make sure that you clean out the hole in the gas block before reassembly as well. Particles of dust or filings can cause havoc with the cycling. As for driving out the taper pins and putting on another gas block, I prefered the pinned in one. At least you won't have to fiddle with the gas system. This could cause a lot of headaches if it is not set up properly. The set screws can work loose, but those taper pins ain't going anywhere.
In the end, I would say the R2 is better to do this with. It you want a flip up gas block sight, then go with the R3. The less you mess with the gas system the better.
Again, YMMV.
Hoddie.
 
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Is it possible to get a shorter rail system that won't go past the railed gas block?

That would avoid the trouble altogether, and wouldn't look to bad if the length was right.
 
Yes it is. Check with Armseast. He has a 7 inch rail that goes to the sight base. All you would have to do is cut the slip ring off. This way you still keep your front sight and there are no other mods to the rifle. He also has a 10 inch that is cut out so you can still use the front sight and have a longer rail at the same time.
Hoddie.
 
I actually tried to remove the front sight base before I grinded it. The pins would not budge. So away I went. Plus I didn't have the cash for a low profile gas block or the time to spend waiting for it to arrive. But you about the time thing anyway, right Reaper?
See you in the 'Stan in August.
Hoddie.
 
It is a pain to move an FSB but you might of enjoyed a DD 12.0 FSP where you still have the front sight and extra rail to cover the barrel, but hey you did what you could with what you had and it worked out nice nothing wrong with that. I do enjoy the front sight on our Law/military select fire demo, I got a P.R.I gas block and they rock . The sight picture is great and and has alot of real world practicality to it.But your carbine turned out quite nice, mine is a 16 short gas tube. Here are some pictures....

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FWIW I have never had good luck with the PRI font sights...

I had one on a 20" PRI tubed gun and one on a 16" middy -- I have one now on a Mk12 Mod0 clone -- but it is a safe queen. The 20" #### the bed and turned into a single shot in Ft Benning, when the sight shifted and the gas system was interupted

Stick with pinned gas blocks...
 
Yep I could see the P.R.I moving after a good hit, but the DD FSP gives it alot of protection with the surrounding rail, but I could see on a 20 or 16 barrel with an exposed P.R.I being vulnerable.
 
Damn, you're gutsy Hoddie. I just ordered a Stag from Walter and I wouldn't be able to take a hacksaw to a new unfired gun (if I had some parts, a used lower, etc...different story) Nice end result you have there, good job.
 
Got this info way late in the game, but still of use for me and a short 11.5 upper on the way. May try this for a DD rail as I would like to save the effort of a low profile block. Thanks Hoddie for the info and pics.
 
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