Chronic wasting disease CWD in deer

Do you get another tag if your deer tests positive for cwd? Like, you used up your tag and took out a cwd deer for the greater good, will they reimburse you with a new tag to get a good deer for yourself? Or is that only during a specific cull

I never tried. Sask deer season typically up to three weeks long - some as short as one week - often took three or four weeks to get the test results sent back to us - no season would be open if a "replacement" tag was even possible...

One particular year in Sask. Zone 46, my buddy and I each got drawn for 2 x antler-less mule deer. For 6 days, that season overlapped with an antler-less and a regular white tail season, so we each had four tags. In total, the two of us brought back 7 deer. I do not recall any of them testing positive - we did butcher one of my buddy's pigs, for sausage mix - was a lot of "meat processing" that fall!!!

Probably did not really understand the issue at the time - those deer were all field dressed when taken, and skinned that evening - and each had the spine severed at the "atlas bone", which we probably should not have done. The spine was never separated - "filleted" off the backstops from shoulder to hip; boned out the neck meat, other joints were where rear "hams" got separated from the pelvis at the "ball joint" - probably should not have done that either. That would have been late 1980's or possibly early 1990's. Sausage was made and some consumed long before receiving anything back about the "tests".
 
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I never tried. Sask deer season typically up to three weeks long - some as short as one week - often took three or four weeks to get the test results sent back to us - no season open if a "replacement" tag was even possible...

Man, that sucks! Ontario bow season goes from the start of october till the end of december.

I would shoot a cwd deer for sure no matter what just to get it out of the population but that would sure suck to end your season with only that.
 
Man, that sucks! Ontario bow season goes from the start of october till the end of december.

I would shoot a cwd deer for sure no matter what just to get it out of the population but that would sure suck to end your season with only that.

Except when near death and displaying symptoms of staggering, etc., I know of no way to identify a "cwd deer" or elk - that is why it is so "insidious" - a perfectly healthy looking animal that was behaving normally, can be infected and test positive. I am quite sure that predators like coyotes or wolves will take out any that are not functioning at near 100%

So, in an area with the CWD disease, no assurance that your second replacement one would be "CWD free", at all!
 
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Exactly!! To think baiting is a contributing factor is assinine. .

How can it not be a contributing factor? Far from assinine, just reality. Sure there are lots of other natural factors, but since it transmits from deer saliva, how can enticing a group of deer to feed at the same small spot not be a contributing factor.

I'm not sure how much of a contributing factor it is, but to say it isn't is just being unrealistic.
 
Rogan did a podcast on this a couple of years ago and scared the crap out of me, part about deer pissing in a wheat field and it attaching to the wheat, possible transfer to human and other animals without ever eating a deer steak..

DBeato - so did this "Rogan" person, whomever that is/was, identify even one case, ever, where a human became infected from Chronic Wasting Disease, as passed among cervids?? Even one instance that it ever happened?? A similar disease - a TSE also caused by prions - was known to occur in sheep - scrapies - since early 1700's - even one case of a transfer to a human in 300 years??

Potashminer, you sure enjoy to be interested in fighting with people. Unless you live under a rock you know who Joe Rogan is. While you may not listen to his podcast (I'm sure you don't, that would be far beneath you) he does get a lot of very interesting guests on. The episode that DBeato is referencing is, I believe, #1154 with Doug Duren and Bryan Richards, both very knowledgable people in the CWD arena. You might consider actually giving the podcast a listen to see what they have to say. Probably not, but you should.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3s6p2UP57Q&list=LLU8W9qawfU3rRoIfjx1JEfQ&index=1099
 
How can it not be a contributing factor? Far from assinine, just reality. Sure there are lots of other natural factors, but since it transmits from deer saliva, how can enticing a group of deer to feed at the same small spot not be a contributing factor.

I'm not sure how much of a contributing factor it is, but to say it isn't is just being unrealistic.



It's just Outfitters and lazy hunters(if you can even call it hunting) protecting their turf..
 
No, you can't get a replacement tag.
SERM figures that you had the opportunity to hunt, and they haven't time or resources to handle replacement tags.
On the point of risk from baiting, it is a much smaller issue than normal farming practice.
Not everyone who uses bait is an outfitter, and not everyone has a hate on for Outfitters, as you appear to do.
 
It's just Outfitters and lazy hunters(if you can even call it hunting) protecting their turf..

Oh I have no issue with baiting if its legal. Lots of different ways to hunt and I'm not special enough to think only my way is the right way. But to claim it doesn't contribute to CWD is certainly biased thinking.
 
No, you can't get a replacement tag.
SERM figures that you had the opportunity to hunt, and they haven't time or resources to handle replacement tags.
On the point of risk from baiting, it is a much smaller issue than normal farming practice.
Not everyone who uses bait is an outfitter, and not everyone has a hate on for Outfitters, as you appear to do.

What exactly do Outfitters contribute to the hunting community?

Put trails, baits, no hunting signs all over Provincial Forests?

So they can make huge profits by pushing Residents out of the area and making huge profits off our wildlife?
 
If you knew any Outfitters, you would know that large profits are elusive, at best.
I have more concerns about waterfowl Outfitters locking up land, than any Whitetail guides.
I guess that I know nice WT Outfitters.
 
The trouble with testing your harvested deer for CWD is the long time lag before you know the results.

A few years now but we regularly hunted WMU 148 near the Sask border and were required to submit our harvested deer heads after the hunt for testing. We submitted the heads by bagging and tagging them and putting them in the freezer at the Turbo gas station in Medicine Hat.

This was done in early November but it wasn't until sometime in January that you would get a letter in the mail informing you of the results.
By this time you had already consumed a good part of the deer. Lucky for me I guess the results were always negative.

I understand that in order to test the deer at that time, a thin slice of brain tissue has to be manually analyzed under a microscope which took a long time and lots of personnel.

Has that process improved to provide faster results? Waiting a couple of months before eating your deer is quite a while. It's one of the reasons I no longer hunt in the affected WMUs
 
"Has that process improved to provide faster results?"

Nothing has changed. Same freezer drop off, and wait time can run into late February. I dropped a mule doe head off early November got 'Negative ' result back in two weeks. Dropped another head on Sunday at Cabela's freezer in Edmonton and expect results in 2 to 3 months. Everything gets deboned, trimmed and frozen for sausage after results come back.
 
Potashminer, you sure enjoy to be interested in fighting with people. Unless you live under a rock you know who Joe Rogan is. While you may not listen to his podcast (I'm sure you don't, that would be far beneath you) he does get a lot of very interesting guests on. The episode that DBeato is referencing is, I believe, #1154 with Doug Duren and Bryan Richards, both very knowledgable people in the CWD arena. You might consider actually giving the podcast a listen to see what they have to say. Probably not, but you should.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3s6p2UP57Q&list=LLU8W9qawfU3rRoIfjx1JEfQ&index=1099

Not that hard to believe he hasn't heard of Joe Rogan. I didn't know he even existed until this spring when I heard a co-worker speaking of his pod casts.
 
The trouble with testing your harvested deer for CWD is the long time lag before you know the results.

A few years now but we regularly hunted WMU 148 near the Sask border and were required to submit our harvested deer heads after the hunt for testing. We submitted the heads by bagging and tagging them and putting them in the freezer at the Turbo gas station in Medicine Hat.

This was done in early November but it wasn't until sometime in January that you would get a letter in the mail informing you of the results.
By this time you had already consumed a good part of the deer. Lucky for me I guess the results were always negative.

I understand that in order to test the deer at that time, a thin slice of brain tissue has to be manually analyzed under a microscope which took a long time and lots of personnel.

Has that process improved to provide faster results? Waiting a couple of months before eating your deer is quite a while. It's one of the reasons I no longer hunt in the affected WMUs

I believe they take a lymph node out of the upper neck, behind the jaw, but yes results are slow. I'd be waiting before I eat.
One of my brothers tested positive last year and they had butchered 3 at the same time. An older single man my brother knows was very happy for the venison contribution as he knows he will be dead long before he would ever get sick
 
In Saskatchewan, we are doing a huge public health experiment with CWD.
If the total deer harvest is on the order of 30,000 deer, and last year 3300 animals were tested with 528 positive for CWD, it is obvious that a very large number of CWD positive animals are being consumed by hunter's families.
Assuming the CWD positive rate is reasonably constant, 4,800 deer in the harvest were actually positive for CWD, and unknowingly consumed.
 
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Same in Alberta. Eating deer is risky. This is how the Alberta government deals with them.

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In Saskatchewan, we are doing a huge public health experiment with CWD.
If the total deer harvest is on the order of 30,000 deer, and last year 3300 animals were tested with 528 positive for CWD, it is obvious that a very large number of CWD positive animals are being consumed by hunter's families.
Assuming the CWD positive rate is reasonably constant, 4,800 deer in the harvest were actually positive for CWD, and unknowingly consumed.

I'm late to this party I know but might be a bit enlightening on the subject.

In 2002 I was working from a rural gravel pit SW of Innisfail, Ab. and had my RV & truck parked in a local land owners yard. One day he commented that he had never ridden in an 18 wheeler and would it be possible to spend the afternoon with me...you bet, company always welcome.
This turned out to be one of the most informative 'riders" I ever had along. It turned out he was a "just retired biologist" with AB. Natural Resources that had been working on the CWD file since it became a thing in AB.
I never checked his credentials or was given any reason to doubt his word...he talked a good, believable story so take it as it is, just some memories of that conversation.

He claimed that the bug that causes CWD is only present in the brain & spinal column fluid...there is no evidence of it ever migrating to the muscle meat in any effected animal ( remember this was back in 2002 so this may be old data) that he was aware of. He claimed he would have no issue eating deer meat that had never been in contact with brain tissue or spinal fluid... but the problem he said, is that customary butchering practices do not always prevent this from happening...spitting the animal down the backbone & cutting "bone-in chops" will always contain material from the spinal column. Boning out an animal is the only "fool-proof" way to keep from contaminating some otherwise safe meat. There have been a few Humans infected with the disease in its farm animal form in Europe and he claimed that altho unproven how they were infected, the research showed that they were infected by using neck & backbones from infected sheep to boil up a soup broth. In his tenure on the file, he claimed they had no evidence of plain meat ever infecting a person from farm or wild animals.

Another claim he made was that you cannot "cook" the infecting bug out of infected meat the way you can with other organisms...the "prions" are still there he claimed.

I have never had an animal checked for CWD since then and have eaten a pile of deer meat...but every ounce of it is boned from the frame without touching anything he talked about. Even an animal shot in the backbone would be very hard for me to consume without testing it first...hydraulic shock from a high speed bullet could infect a lot of meat that otherwise would look good for use...not me...
 
Many new facts have been published since your conversations.
Prion distribution in carcasses is in the lymph system throughout the meat.
CWD is potentially able to be transmitted to humans, as evidenced by experiments with Macaque monkeys.
I suggest that you update your knowledge by consulting a reputable site.
 
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