Cleaning cord jammed
- Thread starter sdlonyer
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Licensed to kill
CGN Regular
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- Peace Country Alberta
You clearly don’t understand internal balistices and hiw pressure acts inside the cartridge/barrel. That is OK, nobody was born knowing any of this, we all had to learn it to know it. This is your opportunity to research what I posted (I don’t expect anyone to just take my word for it) and learn how this works before trying things like you suggested. To be fair, I suppose my position may be wrong when it comes to smokeless (there is NO ambiguity when it comes to black) but this was explained to me years ago by Bevan King when I questioned him about the possible cause when a buddies Sako .243 that blew apart.
Save yourself the time, effort and heartbreak and go buy yourself a new rifle. ... and NEVER use one of those stupid bore snakes ever again.
A felt pellet is not even close to the same as a bore snake.
You know how fire works don't you? It needs oxygen. Where do you envision the oxygen coming from when the fire is deep inside a narrow hole and there is no way for the oxygen to reach the flame front?
WORST possible choice.
Are you insane? Like I'm actually asking if you are totally nuts?
You have no understanding of what would happen in such a situation do you?
OMG - PLEASE NEVER ATTEMPT SUCH IDIOCY
No. There is NO excuse for using one of those abominations.
If something gets into the bore in the field, how would you feed a long piece of string into the bore to be able to pull it through, past the obstruction?
If one just absolutely has to have a means to clean in the field, spend $20 and get one of the reproduction US Mil M16 cleaning kits in the green nylon case.
gewehr76
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I guess you never heard of separate munitions. By your logic there would be lots of screwed up cannons in Ukraine.
Separate Munition in Artillery
Separate munitions in artillery refer to ammunition that is loaded into the breech of a gun in distinct stages. This method allows for easier handling and transport of heavier shells and charges, especially in large-caliber artillery. The components of separate munitions include the primer, propellant, projectile, and fuze, each loaded separately before firing. This approach enhances the efficiency and versatility of artillery systems, allowing gunners to adjust the propellant charge for different ranges and target types
gewehr76
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
You can keep your opinion to your self. Its not Idiocy until you try it. I have and it works.
gewehr76
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Its your money and time. Its not going to cost you price of single round though
I used to use these, started with shotguns if I recall correctly.
I quit using them when I was playing with a 17HMR…the hole is so small and the cord was so thin it always felt like it was going to break and I wondered what would I do if it did…no answer was all that great so I upgraded my cleaning rods for everything.
This was back when that cartridge was pretty much as new as CGN and this issue was well enough talked about then to get me to change my ways.
Out of all of this three posts basically stand out to me:
If you are not extremely good with tools do nothing and see a smith; solid advice.
If you are, or think you are, capable and are willing to risk an outcome that isn’t good D’Arcy’s story shows the path (entertaining read).
And one guy 75% (+/-) of the time will think he’s got the easy way out cased but one day he’ll be the guy in the ER…nice part is there won’t be anything left worth taking to a smith at that point so it won’t ruin their day, lol.
I quit using them when I was playing with a 17HMR…the hole is so small and the cord was so thin it always felt like it was going to break and I wondered what would I do if it did…no answer was all that great so I upgraded my cleaning rods for everything.
This was back when that cartridge was pretty much as new as CGN and this issue was well enough talked about then to get me to change my ways.
Out of all of this three posts basically stand out to me:
If you are not extremely good with tools do nothing and see a smith; solid advice.
If you are, or think you are, capable and are willing to risk an outcome that isn’t good D’Arcy’s story shows the path (entertaining read).
And one guy 75% (+/-) of the time will think he’s got the easy way out cased but one day he’ll be the guy in the ER…nice part is there won’t be anything left worth taking to a smith at that point so it won’t ruin their day, lol.
FatCatsDad
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No, its likely the dumbest suggestion I've ever read.
Licensed to kill
CGN Regular
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- Peace Country Alberta
Good Lord, it would appear that you have HEARD of “separate munitions in artillery” but don’t understand it if you think that it is relevant in any way to this subject. At any rate, my posts are more for others that are reading this so nobody tries your dangerous suggestion. For the record, you were right about one thing, I had never heard of “separate munitions” before so I looked it up and this is what I found “feel free to show how this is relevant to the topic at hand
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FatCatsDad
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I drag them through larger calibers regularly.
I've never had an issue using them, even the cheap generics from TEMU
Pulling through a 17 cal is dicey though.
- Location
- Nova Scotia
You got lucky.
I unintentionally fired a blank with a barrel onstruction (too many patches on a jag) and didn't dislodge it.
I was handed a C9 and barrel for a exercise. And told to hurry up. So slapped the BFA on it and got on the bus. Once it was time to fire. It needless never worked, fired a couple before switching barrel.. When I got back, that when I realized was an obstruction. If your theory worked. It be close to the muzzle but was still mid barrel.
I don't think i heard any of the weapon techs using that method to try and dislodge. CGN mod Dwisy had to get a bore snake out of my C7..
The small arms equivalent of the separate projectile/separate powder charge used in larger artillery is the breech seated or muzzle loaded projectile with a charged case loaded behind it, popularized for target shooting in the late 19th century. Harry Pope, among others, used this system very effectively.
This has nothing to do with using a blank load to shoot out an obstruction lodged somewhere in the bore.
This has nothing to do with using a blank load to shoot out an obstruction lodged somewhere in the bore.
I was thinking loose debris or water/snow if they hadn’t taped their muzzle. Never used one myself.No. There is NO excuse for using one of those abominations.
If something gets into the bore in the field, how would you feed a long piece of string into the bore to be able to pull it through, past the obstruction?
If one just absolutely has to have a means to clean in the field, spend $20 and get one of the reproduction US Mil M16 cleaning kits in the green nylon case.
Dont know what to tell you, back when Browning sold these and a few customers got them stuck we had good luck with the doweling from a wood supply store, and or an aluminum rod. YMMV, but we liked wood since it didnt scratch metal.
gewehr76
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
dangerous? dangerous for you maybe. don't try it. If you dont have the guts to do it then dont get of the bed in the morning.
