Client loaner rifles

There would be no way it would be a 300 win mag and for a loaner I'd lean hard toward the 270. But whatever.

For the actual rifle it would be a G Series Model 70. Not new production. The Classic is the only fully stainless rifle that I am aware of. The Ruger is not. I would put it in an EDGE Echols Legend stock on it, and stainless S&K mounts with the pockets centered between the screw holes.
 
Given you mentioned you would probably be buying used I would suggest you look for a couple of Ruger 77 Mk 2 RS with the canoe paddle stocks.

The Model 70 would also fit the bill in a more expensive way.

The Howa would also be a decent no-frills choice.

It sounds like your choice of cartridge has already been made but I would feel good in your situation with a .300 Win Mag , 30-06, or even a .270 with heavy for calibre bullets.
 
Dogleg said:
.270 grizzly bears guns would be something to discuss on rained out days.
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Hunting unalarmed grizzly with a guide at your elbow is a totaly different situation than protecting yourself from a pissed-off bear. Many of the big bears have been taken with nothing more than a stick & string.
 
chuck nelson said:
There would be no way it would be a 300 win mag and for a loaner I'd lean hard toward the 270. But whatever.

For the actual rifle it would be a G Series Model 70. Not new production. The Classic is the only fully stainless rifle that I am aware of. The Ruger is not. I would put it in an EDGE Echols Legend stock on it, and stainless S&K mounts with the pockets centered between the screw holes.
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I'm curious, what parts on the new M70 are not stainless?

The 2 stainless Haweye's I've taken apart sure "look" all stainless?
 
'Boo said:
Hunting unalarmed grizzly with a guide at your elbow is a totaly different situation than protecting yourself from a pissed-off bear. Many of the big bears have been taken with nothing more than a stick & string.
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Yes, accompanied by a guide with a backup..... Usually not of the .270 persuasion.....
 
The .300 Winchester is without question a fine cartridge, and I have no problem suggesting it for use by an experienced rifleman. But if you have to suggest it in the first place, you might be suggesting it to the wrong guy. In Ardent's case, the client who rents the rifle might be an experienced hand, or it might be he's never held a rifle before. An expensive hunt is a tough place to learn marksmanship, but a rifle that produces 40 ft-lbs of recoil doesn't make it any easier.

On the flipside, in the African context, the .375 H&H is viewed as a minimal, yet fully capable cartridge for dangerous game. It is the most frequently recommended cartridge for novice hunters and women for big game hunting in East Africa that includes buffalo. Well maybe that puts the .300 into the proper perspective as a NA big game cartridge. But if the client who pays to rent the rifle can't manage it, he isn't going to have an enjoyable time, he isn't likely to be a repeat client, or send other potential clients your way. For Ardent's purposes, the 7 mag is a good balance between performance and recoil, in a light rifle, and in any case, he'll have his handy dandy 590 for back up.
 
Whole lot of Grizzlies get killed with 30-06's and 7RMs in BC. After seeing my buddy smoke a nice coastal grizzly with his 7RM and my (fairly mildly loaded) 160gr TSX ammo, I don't think the 30-06 or 7RM are bad choices.

I personally would be taking the relatively flat shooting 375 Ruger for both goats and Grizzlies. :)
 
'Boo said:
Hunting unalarmed grizzly with a guide at your elbow is a totaly different situation than protecting yourself from a pissed-off bear. Many of the big bears have been taken with nothing more than a stick & string.
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Its not completely about what works, its about what works and doesn't give the client any toehold for complaints. Sort of like ammo. I basically never hunt with factory ammo, but a loaner would be getting nothing but premium factory with a known designer bullet. Otherwise, one way or the other every miss, every poor hit and any lost animal will be turned into my fault. Pass the guy lots of gun, storebought ammo loaded with bullets that nobody can really argue about, and a scope that nobody would confuse with a bargain brand and from that moment on whatever happens is on him.
 
Of the rifles mentioned in the OP I would look for a Ruger m77-Mark 2 stainless/synthetic hands down (ideally one with the boat paddle stock). Integral mounts, super tough rings + the rest of the rifle is built like a brick sh!t house. They were offered with sights aswell although not that common up here.

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The 7 mm caliber choice is right on. After guiding for 20 years I would say that at least 70% of hunters who show up with a 300 can't handle the recoil. As far as safeties go the Vanguard, T3 etc have no advantage over the 700. I have seen several rifles that would fire as the safety was released none of which was a Remington. I NEVER allowed a hunter to walk behind me with a chambered round. When game was spotted and he was sure which one was the target he could chamber a round and precede me. My vote would be M70 or Ruger although after owning several Rugers I am not a real fan of them.
 
The ruger or Winchester are the likely the best bets. I personally would buy the EW. But I would keep the choice simple. Make it a 30-06 and stuff it with a tough 180 grainer. Most people can shoot it well and there's room for another round in the belly of the rifle.

Cheers
 
chuck nelson said:
Well at least it wasn't a critical component.
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The rust didn't cripple the firearm. I probably could have loaded and fired it right after I found it, but I took it inside, took it apart, was amazed at the lack of rust, gave the trigger a clean and lube, washed the boat paddle stock with some dish soap, took it back outside and it fired no problem. Still zeroed, too. :)
 
Gatehouse said:
The rust didn't cripple the firearm. I probably could have loaded and fired it right after I found it, but I took it inside, took it apart, was amazed at the lack of rust, gave the trigger a clean and lube, washed the boat paddle stock with some dish soap, took it back outside and it fired no problem. Still zeroed, too. :)
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That's the rife you had stolen and later found hiding in the Salal?
 
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