Client loaner rifles

'Boo said:
That's the rife you had stolen and later found hiding in the Salal?
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Yes, it could have been considered a crime wave around here. Neighboring parents went away for the weekend, teenagers have a party, and some of the kids walked up the creek to m place and broke in.
 
Dogleg said:
Its not completely about what works, its about what works and doesn't give the client any toehold for complaints. Sort of like ammo. I basically never hunt with factory ammo, but a loaner would be getting nothing but premium factory with a known designer bullet. Otherwise, one way or the other every miss, every poor hit and any lost animal will be turned into my fault. Pass the guy lots of gun, storebought ammo loaded with bullets that nobody can really argue about, and a scope that nobody would confuse with a bargain brand and from that moment on whatever happens is on him.
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Makes a lot of sense - giving the client tools that ensure the best likelihood for success with the durability to ensure it is functioning properly when needed is always the right choice - as I said before - find a Sako 75 stainless synthetic in 7RM. Or at least examine one closely before you decide on another option.
 
I'll not claim to be any expert on hunting or guiding, but to my mind someone who is spending big money for an experience is going to want something beyond a run of the mill "economy" rifle. On that basis alone I would think a Win M70 EW, or a Kimber would be ideal topped with a "premium" brand scope like a Zeiss, Swaro, high end Leupold, etc...

If I scrapped my pennies together for a hunt and my rifle didn't make it, I would feel much better shooting a loaner rifle with class than I would shooting an economy rifle.
 
I have been a fan of M-70's for years but I also have a Kimber 8400. My advice for your situation would be either the M-70 or Kimber Montana. Hard to beat either rifle for dependability and reliability. They have good trigger systems out of the box. Both have CRF which to some is all important. Top feed, floor plate discharge, so there's no mags to loose or damage, and they have the look and feel of some quality in the hand, which your clients will appreciate. The issue maybe finding them, as the shelves haven't been well stocked with either brand for at least a year or so. Probably Prophet River would be a good place to start. These are the only two brands that I personally have experience with so I can not comment on others. If it was me I would track down two stainless/synthetic M-70's, top them with Leupold VX3 2.5 x 8 or 3 x 10 scopes and be done with it. Hopes this helps.
 
Tons of good points here and only a small smattering who missed the initial post. Sorry been away shooting a new from mannlicherman AYA 28ga. Too much fun. Ran around trying to find shells only to find the range has flats and cheap.

Dogleg you have good points and you and I both choose the .300 as the best all round, but concerned on clients who can't handle recoil but need a flat shooter that can sling up to 175grs on occasion. Most the the 7 Mag's time will be with premium 140s zero'd at 250 yards. Like your take on removing all variables and excuses with the best tools for the job, good point.

The M77 and M70 in stainless certainly lead, and likely M70s as the initial post points out. The canoe paddle 77's are tough as nails and a good consideration.
 
One thing about Weatherby Is it's a classic
Back in the day was considered to be one of the best hunting rifles on the market
I would think any older clients would appreciate a Weatherby Vanguard
 
It's about 15-20% less, the big draw is I like light, fast bullets for mountain goat, and when I do load for the client guns it'll be for mountain goat with a screaming 120gr and a very long zero. Reduces their workload a lot to be a dead on shot well over 300 and more. Sure a .300 will do this with a 130gr, wrote it up even in the rifles blurb I send to clients, but I stock 7mm and feel it's a little better suited to such a set up. With a 175 it's not lacking on bear either. Generally going to be looking for bullets 140gr and under and this speaks 7mm to me.
 
Ardent said:
It's about 15-20% less, the big draw is I like light, fast bullets for mountain goat, and when I do load for the client guns it'll be for mountain goat with a screaming 120gr and a very long zero. Reduces their workload a lot to be a dead on shot well over 300 and more. Sure a .300 will do this with a 130gr, wrote it up even in the rifles blurb I send to clients, but I stock 7mm and feel it's a little better suited to such a set up. With a 175 it's not lacking on bear either. Generally going to be looking for bullets 140gr and under and this speaks 7mm to me.
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Most of my friends have me pegged as a 7mm guy, and don't realize that I have more .300s than 7s. I like a flat trajectory just about as much as the next guy, but I can't help noticing that more than couple of my .300 loads support a 300 yard zero rather well. The 190 LR Accubond puts the .300 on even footing with my .270 WSM, .270 Weatherby and STW loads and will shoot to 650 using the post of a B&C reticle. I haven't got the 7 Rem into that league yet, but haven't really tried either.
 
nowarningshot said:
Both myself and a cousin had canoe paddle 7mags. Neither could shoot worth shat.
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I have had four M77 MKII 7 RM's and they were all excellent shooter's... I have another stainless MKII 7mm Rem Mag on the way as I write this... with 150/154's it makes an excellent counterpart to the M77 MKII stainless .350 RM with 250's... I can do everything with that pair.
 
The m70 extreme weather seemed appealing until I bought one.
Stainless, crf, fluted, marketed with a lw Bell and Carlson stock ... sounds good
The stock was very thick everywhere, short in the grip, and the overall package wasn't light at all.
The safety was noisy to operate and the trigger was mediocre.
I ended up getting the stock slimmed down and repainted so it's a bit better feel.
It was very accurate with handloads however.
 
Absolutely agree on what a fast .30 will do, more development has gone into those bullets than any other diameter. Once you're into 190s and the like though there's a distinct bump in recoil for those who aren't weekly magnum shooters over 120-140gr 7mms, also try and follow the military's logic and stock as few lines of components as I can get away with. Keeps recentering around 7mm and .375.
 
Ardent said:
It's about 15-20% less, the big draw is I like light, fast bullets for mountain goat, and when I do load for the client guns it'll be for mountain goat with a screaming 120gr and a very long zero. Reduces their workload a lot to be a dead on shot well over 300 and more. Sure a .300 will do this with a 130gr, wrote it up even in the rifles blurb I send to clients, but I stock 7mm and feel it's a little better suited to such a set up. With a 175 it's not lacking on bear either. Generally going to be looking for bullets 140gr and under and this speaks 7mm to me.
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This is a great summation.

I'm a real fan of the 7mm Rem Mag as a Hunting cartridge.
 
hoytcanon said:
I have had four M77 MKII 7 RM's and they were all excellent shooter's... I have another stainless MKII 7mm Rem Mag on the way as I write this... with 150/154's it makes an excellent counterpart to the M77 MKII stainless .350 RM with 250's... I can do everything with that pair.
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Had good luck as well with Rugers, including my old Canoe paddle (one of the first hunting rifles I bought myself instead of being handed down), though it wasn't 7mm.
 
Are these goat only or dual purpose for grizz?......

If they are goat rifles, I think you are bang on.......

If they are dual purpose, I will give my insight...... Not as someone experienced, but as someone inexperienced.........

If you told me that you would be equipping me with a 120 gr pill on a grizz hunt I would question your sanity........ Yes, CGN, shot placement and all.........

Guess I need more clarity......
 
Ardent said:
Absolutely agree on what a fast .30 will do, more development has gone into those bullets than any other diameter. Once you're into 190s and the like though there's a distinct bump in recoil for those who aren't weekly magnum shooters over 120-140gr 7mms, also try and follow the military's logic and stock as few lines of components as I can get away with. Keeps recentering around 7mm and .375.
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Definitely can get a little pushy with 190s and a case full of H1000, but there's other other ways to harness the .300. Drop all the way back to 150s and there is all kinds screaming velocities, banjo string trajectories and light recoil. BCs aren't the greatest, but 3500 fps isn't exactly idling.

I don't know what to say to those that think a 7mm Rem kicks like .300 because I don't find that to be the case at all. I was just shooting mine a few minutes ago, along with a .270 WSM and .300 WSM. Even though they are all Kimbers and about as light as common sporting rifles get, recoil just doesn't amount to anything. Maybe they are comparing the 7 to typical .300 factory loads? That might make sense.
 
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