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To Johnn Peterson: I'm glad to see that there are others who have an interest in the early autoloaders. I lived in the US and collected for many years there. I had a 1910/21
Bergmann-Bayard (which looks very much like the gun you pictured), as well as a Simplex and a Mars, also by Bergmann. In WWII, the Germans used the 1910/21 as a secondary sidearrm, and of course they were the sidearm of Danish police. I can't get them here because generally they don't quite make the "antique" cut and their barrels are too short for my "restricted" license (and they tend to be very, very expensive). Good luck with it. It's a wonderful piece of history. And another reason for trying to get Canadian gun laws changed to recognize that the date of a gun and its barrel length and caliber should not be the criteria for prohibiting
it.
 
358 BLR said:
Now that's an interesting looking animal, I can't say that I've seen or even
heard of it before. When you get more info, I'm definitely interested in hearing
more about it and if you pick one up, then we must have pictures. Lots of
pictures.:D

You'll have to excuse my ignorance, But I don't even know what a "Triple Lock" is.
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I never knew such an animal existed either, until a friend showed me one he recently inherited. To me it looked like a 'mutant' Broomhandle Mauser:yingyang: so I started digging a little and I don't recall who sent me the picture I posted but that's what the beast looks like. It appeares to be a quality item and nicely fitted. The cartridge is a 9mm Bayard which is similar in size to the 9x21mm or the super 38, somewhat longer than the 9mm popular today.

A while ago I happened to notice a guy back east had some of that ammo for sale so my friend made arrangements and is having it shipped out. He's not a handgun shooter and has expressed an interest in an 'item' I have so a trade may be in the offing:). If that happens, pictures and info will be posted.

Sorry about the whiplash sustained from looking at the pictures I posted previously:redface:. Lack of photography and computer skills but I think figured out the problem. I 'played' around yesterday and straighntened out my handgun photos.

I don't know much about 'triple-locks' either but another shooting buddy of mine is somewhat into collecting 'Smiths' and has three. The name comes from a third lock-up mechanism located in the crane/frame and pivot set up area. Elmer Keith makes mentions this variation in S&W revolvers on a number of instances in his books.
 
Johnn Peterson

OK, I think I understand now: basically something like what Ruger is doing
these days. I wasn't aware that S&W did anything like that. Looks like there's
another admirer of your "Mutant Broom-handle" around.:) I can't believe that
it's actually a prohib???:eek:
 
Smith & Wesson's New Century, the .44 Hand Ejector First Model, the Triple Lock is the predecessor of a whole line of big bore revolvers made by Smith & Wesson.

The holy grail of serious S&W collectors. The Triple Lock as J/P pointed out has a third locking bolt in the lower centre of the swing out action. You can see this from the right side when closed.
 
rfo1 said:
Rod,
That's a very impressive collection of older Smith and Wessons. They are all very handsome guns.
Thanks to the link to the 5 screw Pre 29 on auction.Mine is not far away in serial numbers- about 1,000 earlier.My guess is that the stocks have been altered on the auction gun.The bottoms appear to have been rounded- possibly to remove chips and earlier damage.
rfo1
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I think you're right about the stocks. The gun shows it's wear on the bluing as well. Still sold for a fair dollar.

Cabella has one for sale as well. Around $2200 with diamond targets instead of the correct coke bottle stocks.

When S&W presented Elmer Keith with his 6 1/2" 44 magnum, he found he liked it better when he cut it down to 4".
 
358 BLR said:
Buddy, do you like live next to a Smith & Wesson plant?
That's is quite the collection you've got going there, I'd trade my 4.2" GP100
for that Pre-27 in a heart beat. (hint, hint) :D
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It's taken a few years to round these up. There's more tucked away in my vault that I haven't taken pictures of, but here's a few more;

mid-1950's S&W M&P, pre model 10, 38 sp.

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mid-1950's Colt det spec. & police positve, 38 sp . . 1937 Colt 1911 Gov't, 45 acp

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1919 Colt New Service, 45 Colt. This Colt was shipped to the RNWMP in 1919.

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S&W WWII Victory, 38 S&W

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Bloodlines

As promised, when the Model 10-5 arrived I would post pictures. Well, the day has come. Pay attention "rfo1", you instigated this.
TOP: S&W Model 64 (pre dash)
BOTTOM: S&W Model 10-5
Does anybody notice a similarity, or is it just me.:rolleyes:
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Additional notes on the Model 64:
In 1973 an "Engineering and Production Change." was issued:
- Heavy Barrel Only

And the serial number on mine puts it about 1973, although I don't have a "Jink's letter" yet. Guess who got an SCSW.:D
So it would appear that the Standard Barrel was produced from 1970 to 1973.
 
Here's two I consider amongst my "collectibles"...

Colt Government Model mfg 1914, overall finish not the greatest, BUT, C prefix 4 digit serial number, with rare early patent date slide:

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WWII contract USGI 1911A1 mfg 1943 by Union Switch & Signal:

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NAA.
 
Ahh, the 1911 fans have arrived.
I'm curious guys, what are those metal loops protruding from the bottoms of your Colts? I'm not very familiar with those guns, so I honestly don't know.
NAA, your 1943 Union Switch & Signal looks to be in exceptional condition, you must keep it locked up in the Administrators Secret Time Vault.:D
Nice guns guys

Regards Rob
 
Great thread gents,

This is my most "collectible", not very old in the scheme of things but I like it a lot.

An AMT Javelina 10mm Hunting Model, a 7" long slide.


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Yes I still have the original wrap-around rubber grips too but couldn't resist putting these one.
 
358 BLR said:
Ahh, the 1911 fans have arrived.
I'm curious guys, what are those metal loops protruding from the bottoms of your Colts? I'm not very familiar with those guns, so I honestly don't know.
NAA, your 1943 Union Switch & Signal looks to be in exceptional condition, you must keep it locked up in the Administrators Secret Time Vault.:D
Nice guns guys

Regards Rob
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Lanyard loops so you don't lose the mags. - dan
 
Johnn Peterson said:
...I have recently came across a 'goodie' and although at present I have few real details, hopefully in the not too distant future, I'll get more. After a quick look, it seems to be a 1908 Bergmann-Bayard in 9mm. I've hunted around and although the picture below isn't exactly the gun I've been looking at, this is what it looks like.

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Nice! Somewhere in a disorganized pile of magazines I have an old article in G&A (?) by Garry James (I think) where he takes one out shooting. IIRC, the 9mm round it fires is more potent than the 9mm Luger.

:) Stuart
 
Thanks Dan Belisle and josquin:
It's those kinds of details (the lanyard loops) that give period guns so much character and
depth and really anchors them to their historical time period. It makes those two guns
much more fascinating, well for me it does anyway.

Thanks Rob
 
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