Colt Canada rifles to the public?
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Definitely. It's funny to see people talking about how ####ty the C7s are that have never deployed with them (or even just used them).
Ok Larry, how much did Colt Canada pay you to say that?!?!?!?!?!
I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
Trouble is, Larry, that in this country, you can only (legally) use ANY AR-type rifle at a range, no matter who made it. It's a fair chunk of change for what is a range toy here.
I find it funny that if one posted a C7 for sale on this forum 5 or 10 years ago (aside from the legal aspect), they could have asked $10 k easy. Now that they are available people are b!tching about a $500 premium. Lol.
Ultimately, everyone is free to do as they please with their money. (Emotive posters are free to stop reading here before I have to bust out a hurt feeling report.)
However, it is incumbent on an informed consumer, familiar with economic notions, to detect when a particular good's price does not collaborate with the market's supply and demand and to act accordingly. In this case, the AR market is in disequilibrium because it bares witness to an abundance of manufacturers. Therefore, there is an excess in supply. Excess supply drives prices down because the consumer can discriminate between individual producers and purchase the product that best meets his needs at the lowest price. It also forces prices down because producers compete against each-other to offer the lowest price through research and development (technology).
You are exactly right in your post. Ten years ago, this price would've been most reasonable and indeed, people would've thrown themselves at them and rightly so. Back then, fewer AR's were imported and those that were were sold to the consumer after half a dozen middlemen had upped the price through licensing/brokerage/price gouging, etc. Which meant that there was excess demand for them which drove up prices. However, given our current situation with IRG et al., it is fundamentally wrong to make that correlation because the situation has indeed reversed. The market is now saturated with AR's and quality ones can be had for much lower prices.
Therefore, a person persisting in buying these at $2,100 and $2,300 while AR's that reflect their specs can be had at $1,500 (if not less) is a perverted datum, to quote my old macro economics professor.
Caveat emptor, my friends.
I find it funny that if one posted a C7 for sale on this forum 5 or 10 years ago (aside from the legal aspect), they could have asked $10 k easy. Now that they are available people are b!tching about a $500 premium. Lol.
I look forward to your review in a couple of weeks.
You can bet on it.
All of you shooters pontificating over economics honestly need to reel yourself into reality (less you re-think your next range trip where you send 80 cents or more into the back berm over and over and over and over...
).It is curious that a short 5 years ago, you could purchase the last service rifle available to Canadians (the Long Branch No. 4 Mk1) for pretty good nick for around $500. Now? The prices have climbed through the roof where guys are asking a cool $1k for a decent model. Models of the Inglis High Power have shot up too, with an average price tag of $1500.
There are precious little models of FN out there in private hands, with the ones out there being ex-OPP rifles, and those are now wall hangers. How many of you would pay top dollar for a next to new FN C1A1? (Which are arguably crappy rifles in the big scheme of things - despite my affinity for them as I lugged my fair share) How about to shoot it?
The shooting community is being offered the current serving CF service rifle which just happens to be one of, if not THE leading model of rifle of its' design serving countries around the globe, and some of you are turning your nose up? I thought I saw a lot of redonkulus on this site, but in true CGN form, this one is for the books.
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It would seem your argument was addressed earlier. They are no better than any number of US made rifles that sell for 1500$ which include the hammer forged barrels. This is misplaced nationalism, nothing more. People are buying these for emotional reasons, not rational calculations. I agree that they are cool. They just aren't 2100$ and 2300$ cool unfortunately.
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I'd buy one if the powers that be woul kindly free up some of my Swiss Arms toys so I could sell them.
Of course I'd give up the former non-restricted status of the Swiss Arms for a rifle I could only shoot at a range which is a bummer.
Of course I'd give up the former non-restricted status of the Swiss Arms for a rifle I could only shoot at a range which is a bummer.
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Working hard, saving my money and buying things makes me an "elitist".
Them thar socialist words!
oh... and credit cards are evil!
I can read the headlines already. "Harper government supplying citizens with assault weapons used by the Canadian Forces... Vote Liberal"
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Not priced for service guys to buy that's for sure. Too bad.
So, maybe a little off the current track of the discussion...In the opinion of you guys who have actually deployed with both the C7 and C8, which one do you prefer, and why? Do you find any better accuracy out of the C7?
Says you. I think there are many in this thread and elsewhere that disagree with your assertion.
Lol. Ok so what in your mind is a "rational calculation" when it comes to the purchase of a range toy? (Please don't answer that, it's rhetorical.....)
We all get it. You can't/don't want to/wife won't let you afford it and you are butthurt over the price. Go fondle your Chinese AR and move along....
Pretty sure that Kevin stated earlier that KAC does not source barrels from CC anymore.
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Bingo!
Some of the comments on this thread remind me of the ol' NDP days in Saskatchewan. You were hated for having something expensive that you worked hard to buy. If you had a nice car, people hated your guts.
Working hard, saving my money and buying things makes me an "elitist".
Them thar socialist words!
oh... and credit cards are evil!
I can read the headlines already. "Harper government supplying citizens with assault weapons used by the Canadian Forces... Vote Liberal"
Interesting thought.
I wouldn't say those who wish to buy these are elitist, just lacking in common sense. Even if the CC riles were "better" than any number of other well known and vetted brands, they're not $5-600 better. Feel free to spend the coin to feel like you have a better rifle, but at the end of the day no one really cares what roll marks are on the side.
As for credit cards, yeah they're dumb as 99% of people don't have the funds to pay them off monthly, hence their increased growth and the increased consumer debt. If you can't pay cash, or have to ask how much.... You can't afford it.
Accuracy is a function of the shooter, not the gear. Barrel length has little to do with accuracy and the optimal length is 18.5" as determined by testing from KAC. Lets not forget that accuracy is relevant to the task at hand and the distances at which you intend to shoot.
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