Colt Canada rifles to the public?

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BeaverMeat said:
Ahhh... Does it change you mind when you purchases anything non-firearm related?

"look at this armoire, honey. Solid oak made in Canada"

"that's too much money dear. Let's go for the pressboard one made in China"
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That's not what's happening, though. It's more like "Lets go for the solid oak model made in the US that's 2/3 the price. The carpentry's not as intricate bur who's going to notice?"

It's just as TDC said:

The cc offerings are priced significantly higher than other known brands which makes them a non starter for many.
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That's all there is to it. My current setup has a Canadian NEA lower. Do I have it because of Canadian pride? Partially, but it's mostly because it fits tightly to every upper I've thrown on it, from Canadian to American to Chinese, which does wonders for accuracy. If it didn't, I would have sold it long ago.

If someone asked me if a Colt Canada would be a good choice for a rifle, I would say yes. Hell, I've been throwing up dealer pages on my facebook page as they were announced for my army friends with RPALs.

But if they asked me if I thought the price tag was justified, I'd have to be honest and say no. You can get comparable rifles good enough to be indistinguishable from a Colt Canada for a fraction of the cost.
 
TinkerBell said:
from reports they will not be releasing the green furniture to the public, something todo with DND not allowing it due to canadian forces copyright or something similar.
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Colt Canada said on Sun News that they would be releasing the green color way at a later date. When, who knows (if they even do).
 
KevinB said:
Bingo,

I'm at a loss for words for most of this thread.

Buy or don't buy but a few weeks ago these guns where unobtainable. So how do you price desire?
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Meh. I wouldn't waist any more of your time in this thread if I were you. I'm sure you & LAV have better and more important things to do when read all of this bickering from CGN members who wouldn't even buy on @ $1,500!

The direction and outcome of this news was predictable from a mile away. Same thing happens over and over again when ATRS comes out with news of them building a rifle & the sh!t storm that follows because of their price point (what I'm saying is - it's always too expensive).

Re your point of desirability - If AR would be considered as regular firearms, like they are in the US, thing would obviously be different, but alas this isn't going to happen any time soon in Canada.
 
At that price point, it doesn't seem like they'll be selling many. The Canadian AR-15 market is pretty saturated right now, from low end to high end and everything in between.

But is this intended as just a foot in the door to the civilian market? Could the upcoming military projects (which will probably go to Kitchener) for a Canadian Ranger rifle and handgun replacement be more practical items for Colt Canada to sell on the civilian market?
 
TinkerBell said:
the $1000 colt was a walmart special and they ordered 60,000 units to get that price....i am sure if one of you wants to step up and order 60,000 rifles colt canada would give you a deal.
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I've seen new Colts for around US$850 in Mom & Pop local guns stores, and that wasn't a special either.
 
Some people thought the price for the rifle was too high and said so. Some people then decided it was a godsend and started berating the people who made any comments. Now that's the CGN way.
 
Deckard said:
Some people thought the price for the rifle was too high and said so. Some people then decided it was a godsend and started berating the people who made any comments. Now that's the CGN way.
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Not sure it's exactly like that.

I think think everyone has agreed it's over priced. The difference was how folks looks at the inflated price.

Yes some of what it's is, is the roll mark. It's up to the individual consumer to descide if they want to buy

I doubt the Brit guns will be available mainly as Surefire Flash Hider has been a non export item for some time non LE/Mil.

The IUR similarly does nothing for me - but it does for some
 
bruin048 said:
Now all the experts will come out and spout CR 32 Steel is awesome and the best ever. Only Colt uses it. Never heard of it.

Has anyone here shot out a barrel? Personal use on the range....who here has shot out any barrel. I bet no one.

So the barrel is a $1000 barrel then?
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There are lots of choices out there for range use. You will be better off with a cheaper rifle, and keep replacing the barrels, bolts and small parts with lower priced consumer grade stuff as they break and wear out. When things go down, just go home and order new parts. The handguard does not fit, go home and fiddle with it in garage work bench until it works.

There are organizations and users who cannot afford to have things breaking and failing in the middle of doing business. You want the guarantee of the same level of durability and reliability - pay up. Do you need it for plinking? No. But some consumers WANT it.
 
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rally guy said:
What's supposed to be limited about them? Wen on the CC page they say they look forward to having these at ranges across Canada and that more models are to come?
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They only made about 250 of each model.
 
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So...

62 pages in and people are still comparing Colt USA pricing to a limited Diemaco run from Colt Canada.

Is it because they have the same name that makes you guys think they are the same gun or...?

While I agree the pricing on these guns is a bit high, I think it's pretty stupid to say "because you can buy a Wallmart US Colt for $1000"....

That's the kind of fanatical argument I expect from CGN in regards to some topics here but do you really not know the difference?

Really?

I know you guys love comparatives so here's a good one.

The starting price for a Corvette in Canada is $53 000 so.... Is saying "You can get a Cruze in the USA for $17 000" a valid argument?

LOL

Must be.

They are both Chevrolet.
 
D 23 said:
So...62 pages in and people are still comparing Colt USA pricing to a limited Diemaco run from Colt Canada.
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Well that is comparing apples to lemons.

The sun news video says new products will be out in the fall. I really hope they release a whole line of parts and accessories and not just complete rifles. I would be interested in a barreled upper with one of their thinner profile barrels and a BCG for sure.
 
D 23 said:
So...

62 pages in and people are still comparing Colt USA pricing to a limited Diemaco run from Colt Canada.

Is it because they have the same name that makes you guys think they are the same gun or...?

While I agree the pricing on these guns is a bit high, I think it's pretty stupid to say "because you can buy a Wallmart US Colt for $1000"....

That's the kind of fanatical argument I expect from CGN in regards to some topics here but do you really not know the difference?

Really?

I know you guys love comparatives so here's a good one.

The starting price for a Corvette in Canada is $53 000 so.... Is saying "You can get a Cruze in the USA for $17 000" a valid argument?

LOL

Must be.

They are both Chevrolet.
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This is such a bad comparison and argument. I doubt the difference between the rifles is as much as a cruz to corvette. The rifles are overpriced by a good $400 to $500. End of story.
 
Accepting an extremely excessive retail markup is very Canadian, as is indeed proven by comparing the Canadian and US prices for new cars. Let me assure you, that amounts to thousands of dollars even in the case of a base model like the Civic and gets way worse in the case of higher end vehicles. It's so bad that they've ensured that you can't even search new car prices for both countries if you live in Canada, and US dealers are forbidden by the car companies to sell new cars to Canadians. As usual, you can trace this to the Liberal governments, who allowed our dollar to fall to very low exchange levels in some nitwitted effort to protect Canadian industry. In the case of cars, that partly justified the price differences but dealers kept our prices up in the stratosphere even when the Canadian dollar rose above the US one. If you like that, you're a little dim, IMHO, and if you actually take active pride in it, there may be something wrong with you. I don't like to dump all this on Colt Canada but the thing needs resisting everywhere.
 
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Chemist said:
They only made about 250 of each model.
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Well money is a awesome thing, if I had disposable money, i'd do as you did and buy one of each and keep them as heirloom firearms!

Unfortunately I can't do that, but to say these are limited run is actually getting my hopes up that the next batch will be price more competitively.

My comment on there high price as many has said is not saying there not worth the money, yes they are. They are if your a collector or if you have plenty of money but for some of us who are trying to split our penny in half they just don't register on the bang for bucks scale...
 
D 23 said:
So...

62 pages in and people are still comparing Colt USA pricing to a limited Diemaco run from Colt Canada.

Is it because they have the same name that makes you guys think they are the same gun or...?

While I agree the pricing on these guns is a bit high, I think it's pretty stupid to say "because you can buy a Wallmart US Colt for $1000"....

That's the kind of fanatical argument I expect from CGN in regards to some topics here but do you really not know the difference?

Really?

I know you guys love comparatives so here's a good one.

The starting price for a Corvette in Canada is $53 000 so.... Is saying "You can get a Cruze in the USA for $17 000" a valid argument?

LOL

Must be.

They are both Chevrolet.
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You could list the differences between the two cars quite easily.
The question here is why is the Corvette in Canada more than twice the price of the Corvette in the US and what exactly justifies the difference.

I've asked a couple times what physically differentiates the two guns, so far roll marks and the hammer forged barrel is all that's been offered.
Other than this the only difference is that we're being offered a Canadian made product to which we're expected to pay twice the price for our "patriotism" in supporting a Canadian company.
How about Canadian companies show some patriotism and stop gouging us for a change.

If you got the money and want it knock yourself out, just don't expect others to believe it's more than the sum of it's parts simply because it costs more.
 
I hate to comment on my comment but I think all of us that find the price to high should stop compa them to Daniel Defence and other brand and realize that this limited run is really full functional heirloom gun, collector peice at collector price.
 
rally guy said:
I hate to comment on my comment but I think all of us that find the price to high should stop compa them to Daniel Defence and other brand and realize that this limited run is really full functional heirloom gun, collector peice at collector price.
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Hopefully future mass-market runs will be more affordable, then.
 
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