Colt Canada rifles to the public?

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I'm just wondering what's the main difference between this and other quality AR's? Some are saying these are some of the best and worth the cost. But what specifically makes them superior or on par with these? Especially in the price range? Better Bolt? Better barrel? Better receivers? Doesn't seem like the furniture is too special.

I can understand peoples interest based on it being a Diemco/CC, but other than that, what specifically makes it the better buy than the others in this price range? Honest question, not trying to start/continue a flame war...
 
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BeaverMeat said:
Bingo!

Some of the comments on this thread remind me of the ol' NDP days in Saskatchewan. You were hated for having something expensive that you worked hard to buy. If you had a nice car, people hated your guts.
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Ignorant comments. As if not wanting to be price gauged means we don't work as hard or make as much as you do. Give me a break. I feel Colt Canada (or their distributor) grossly overestimated the value of their product and are taking advantage of the situation and I intend on letting them know by not purchasing it. It sounds like many people feel the same way. It has nothing to do with whether or not I can afford it.
 
Not much chatter on army.ca/forums. I guess the end user that this rifle was originally "marketed for" isn't exactly jumping up and down in celebration over the release and pricing for the civvie C7s and C8s.

It's not that people are butthurt (well, some are butthurt, haha!), but with IRG's prices the way they are, it's pretty damn hard to justify paying double for the C7/C8. Still, I have no doubt that these rifles will sell to military collector types, and others that got the $$. I doubt many privates and corporals will save their pennies to buy these to practice with on their own time.
 
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Arrogant comments. As if not wanting to be price gauged means we don't work as hard or make as much as you do. Give me a break. I feel Colt Canada (or their distributor) grossly overestimated the value of their product and are taking advantage of the situation and I intend on letting them know by not purchasing it. It sounds like many people feel the same way. It has nothing to do with whether or not I can afford it.
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Fixed it :)

Yes I agree, it looks overpriced considering the market trends. Although, I see it in a different light. It's a "special edition" Colt AR-15 and people will pay more for something unique. We will see how special, if any; they are in time.

But it does look to be a true C7/C8 minus full auto, ambidextrous mag release, and tri-rail. (it does have an ambidextrous safety/selector) Many commercial AR-15 claim to "mil-spec", which they are not. Only thing they have in common with the military counterparts is dimensions. Read the CC/Diemaco page. These are rifles are "military grade" (produced in accordance with the manufacturing and testing methods required by the military) rifles. Quality control testing will be done with each individual rifle. Not batch tested like most mass produced commercial offerings.
 
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yohann160 said:
People are buying these for emotional reasons, not rational calculations...
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Quoted for pure comedy! If everyone here bought ARs based on "rational calculations" we'd all own Norincos! Actually, upon further reflection scratch that, none of us would own ARs!

I find it quite amusing that many who are saying they are over-priced or not worth the $ seem conveniently unaware of the fact that they purchase(d) their AR(s) based on their own subjective opinions cleverly disguised as rational calculations. Everyone, from the Norinco owners to the KAC owners, has their reasons for buying what they bought and apparently everyone else who chose something different is an idiot. The irony is delicious!

Btw, thanks LAV for weighing in. I must say this thread is a bit embarrassing and I'm glad you added your 2 cents.
 
To each his own. Somehow I knew a casual conversation would devolve into "Ha you can't afford it! Butthurt!" Really. You absolutely know that? Buy what you want, but don't feel the need to be defensive. Nobody cares if you buy one or not. To each his own.
 
Deckard said:
To each his own. Somehow I knew a casual conversation would devolve into "Ha you can't afford it! Butthurt!" Really. You absolutely know that? Buy what you want, but don't feel the need to be defensive. Nobody cares if you buy one or not. To each his own.
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Hey, it's CGN. How shocking!

People who are enthusesd are being brought down by Negative Nancys who complain about price and how we Canadians are getting gouged by "the man".

I blame the gun laws for this poor attitude.
 
On a lighter note how many antis do you think fainted when they found out we can get the exact same guns our military uses? Cause if it can make an anti weak in the knees and nauseous due to the fact that I can own one it would help offset the cost.
 
beltfed said:
Says you. I think there are many in this thread and elsewhere that disagree with your assertion.




Lol. Ok so what in your mind is a "rational calculation" when it comes to the purchase of a range toy? (Please don't answer that, it's rhetorical.....)
We all get it. You can't/don't want to/wife won't let you afford it and you are butthurt over the price. Go fondle your Chinese AR and move along....
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Funny thing is, the Chinese AR15 probably shoot as good as your way overpriced restricted Diemaco Ar15.
And what is more funny is that I hate Chinese firearms.
 
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Colt has overpriced these items knowing (1): that some people will buy one no matter what the cost is, and (2): that if they start the MSLP high, the eventual market price will settle higher than if they had started them lower. And anyway, they're a military supplier with a protected market, they don't think they have to be reasonable.

As for me, I'm one of those people who go nuts comparing the thousands of dollars difference in the price of new cars between Canada and the USA, but if Canadians are willing to pay more, any manufacturer will gleefully allow that to happen.
 
Yeah that's it, a crappy Chinese barrel up against one of the best barrels in the business, not to mention true Mil-Spec tolerances...


andrew3081 said:
Funny thing is, the Chinese AR15 probably shoot as good as your way overpriced restricted Diemaco Ar15.
And what is more funny is that I hate Chinese firearms.
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I believe the Colt Canada AR's to be an excellent rifle of very good quality. I would have preferred the price to be a little lower (say maybe $1,700 for the 20" C7) making it easier to justify the extra expense over a $1,200 20" Armalite AR (available from a reputable CGN sponsor). What with a $900 difference ($1,000 when you factor in tax here in BC) between the C7 and the Armalite M15 it makes it very difficult to justify that much of a cost difference for what is essentially a better barrel (cold hammer forged), potentially better Mil-Spec tolerances and the Made in Canada/Canadian Military Pedigree coolness.

Do I want a CC C7, hell yeah; am I going to cancel my Armalite order now that they are here? No, because the cost is just not justifiable at $1,000 more. I suspect many LE/Mil. members along with more then a few Gunnutz are feeling the same way what with a Daniel Defense coming in around $1,700 for their similar model (with a cold hammer forged barrel and excellent tolerances), many won't be willing to add $500 more for a comparable C8 even with all the Canadian coolness that's go's with it. It's not that the Colt C7 for $2,100 is a bad rifle it's just that I believe there is better value in other rifles that also just happen to be more affordable.
I suspect sales will be lacklustre compared to what those in the marketing dept. expected, I for one am disappointed with Colt Canada and/or their distributor as it appears they are trying to gouge just a little to much from their Canadian firearms community with these new releases.

Now with all that said can someone please post up an accuracy report asap.;)
 
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beltfed said:
Says you. I think there are many in this thread and elsewhere that disagree with your assertion.

Lol. Ok so what in your mind is a "rational calculation" when it comes to the purchase of a range toy? (Please don't answer that, it's rhetorical.....)
We all get it. You can't/don't want to/wife won't let you afford it and you are butthurt over the price. Go fondle your Chinese AR and move along....
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Last time I was in the market for a new AR, I saw a user here on the EE who was trying to sell an SR-15 E3 MOD1 for 3,500$. Upon seeing that, I looked up gunbroker and performed a search for that rifle. Sure enough, I found one at 2,050, bought it and imported with IRG. Even with importation and delivery, it still was cheaper and better than its CC equivalent. Compare the specs and you will rapidly see what is the better buy. The only thing CC can match is the barrel.
 
yohann160 said:
Last time I was in the market for a new AR ...SR-15 E3 MOD1...bought it and imported with IRG.
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Congratulations, welcome to the club.

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it still was...better than its CC equivalent. Compare the specs and you will rapidly see what is the better buy. The only thing CC can match is the barrel.
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Uh, no.
I have an SR-15 and while it does offer features a C7/C8 doesn't, there is no way I would claim it is a better rifle overall.
 
beltfed said:
Congratulations, welcome to the club.



Uh, no.
I have an SR-15 and while it does offer features a C7/C8 doesn't, there is no way I would claim it is a better rifle overall.
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I would. The only thing I would argue is if you need the added features from the KAC line for the individual or unit.
 
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